The PRISM program is the US gov actively spying on and analyzing everything about everyone.
Cults like The Bulderburg group also have leverage on Google, and on top of people looking through files of everyone, they'll prioritize keeping an eye on you.
That said, you probably won't face any particular violence for it that you wouldn't anyway.
And most important:
Your ideals are stronger when you are stronger.
Since I am not running this site I can't be absolutely sure. As I noticed the biggest problem is plain funding. It does not cost horribly much, but still not free and if you stop paying your site will be closed. So you need to take care of your site and it will not bring you any profit.
Not all hosts allow porn content also many advertisers also will refuse to work with you.
You could host it on your own computer at home but you may run in to problems with your ISP if they will receive some complaints or if something will happen on your site what will attract police
It depends on your location but in many places all kind of porn is illegal even if nobody cares but if police will come to your door they probably will "notice"
Besides those issues, there are no significant problems with 2d or 3d loli content you will not get arrested for running such site.
Government does not care about that stuff. they may care about terrorism drugs and other illegal things but definitely not loli or guro. They may only start to care if they catch you with something else and then use that as extra evidence
>>8732>What i'm wondering is whether there's any and how much inherent risk comes from running a website that allows 2-d guro/loli, specifically in the US.
Not involved with the site operations, but there SHOULDN'T be anything risky about it based off of what I know. First of all, despite what anyone tells you, the first amendment of the U.S. protects ALL "art" and speech.>But, muh obscenity laws!
They're unconstitutional and built on nothing more than subjective judgement. They don't, and never will, carry any actual weight. Even then, there is already (Unconstitutional) laws in place in regards to prosecuting someone for possession of "extreme content" such as "cartoon child porn", and just look at how many cases there actually are of someone getting fined or sent to jail in the U.S. for it. There's only been five known cases. Four were people in possession of actual child porn. The only case where it was BECAUSE the guy had lolicon porn was tried in a military court, and they went after the guy, not because it was lolicon, because it was PORN (Which he wasn't suppose to have in the first place).
Second, in relation to ALL media, there has yet to be any proven evidence that "art influences life". In regards to all the studies that have been done, ranging from violent films, to regular porn, to video games, they have actually found out that with a greater freedom on media available, crime actually GOES DOWN. The increased access to porn in European countries, Asia, and anywhere with an internet connection has shown a drop in rape statistics: https://archive.fo/BFJRL
In areas where "violent" films are shown, the more "violent" the film, the greater the drop in crime in the area: https://archive.fo/FbVX0
With video games, they have yet to find any example of it leading to the cause of ANY violence: https://archive.fo/Iqu58
And, in regards to "cartoon child porn", the Denmark government published that there are not ANY studies relating "cartoon child porn" to actual child sex offenders, and the data that does exist doesn't show there to be any overlap: https://archive.fo/0ymzY#selection-17137.0-17265.101
On top of all this, it's nothing more than moral grandstanding, and you'd think people would have realized this by now: https://archive.fo/YCDlL
Third, no police force in the U.S. will even WANT to go after it because they KNOW it's harmless and it interferes with their work or going after ACTUAL criminals who commit REAL crimes. Korea and England already suffer from this issue where the police don't have time for "actual crime" because they're too busy arresting people for looking at 2D girls, or posting something mean online: https://archive.fo/OUqfO
On top of that, the U.S. congress pushed through a bill, last year, called SESTA/FOSTA, with the purpose of "stopping online sex trafficking", which even had the DoJ screaming that the bill won't actually solve anything and only make their jobs harder: https://archive.fo/eNz2u
And, that's also leaving out the fact that the one site that both the bills were design for specifically taking down (Backpage.com) was seized before the bill was even passed: https://archive.fo/bgLo0
Long story short, there shouldn't be anything to worry about. There is nothing illegal about 2D and fiction, and people know this.
Well, the cherry on top of it all is that the U.N. is now trying to get involved as well by banning "underage drawings and cartoons" worldwide: https://archive.fo/j98mi
And, they're doing it in a similar manner to 3 years ago when they wanted Japan to ban all depictions of "sexual violence against women" in media, to which the FEMALE representative told them to fuck off: https://archive.fo/NVLAJ
>>8769> I'm having a harder and harder time understanding where this is coming from. I think it's an ideology and self-righteousness that's long been embedded in the west and keeps taking new forms.
No, there's absolutely nothing new about it. Human nature hasn't changed AT ALL in the past 6000+ years on record.>People who feel that their sense of morality is objective and must be forced on everybody else get positions of power and the cycle repeats.
Doesn't help matters that there's been a continuous attack on media, academia, religion, and culture for the past century (And longer).>Technology both makes their surveillance more wide sweeping and less effective at the same time. The lengths they'll go for something this stupid is so bizarre though from an outsider's perspective. Why?
Because of control.
Progressives in the west, despite their overtures to "artistic freedom" and "sexual liberation" still carry the ideological baggage of Protestant puritanism, due to the near monolithic domination of the Anglosphere on cultural norms. Anything seriously icky like extreme cartoon porn will set them off.>>8764
Yeah, for all the shit the US gets, it is still bare none the most free country in the world when it comes to artistic expression. For some reason however, there is a sizable portion of the population who considers that a BAD THING™.
This is eternal recurring issue, which is represented as the battle between god and Satan, where in contract to popular belief God represents eternal suffering and struggle while Satan represents endless pleasure and hedonism.
All of that porn including cartoon porn and any kind of fantasy represents hedonistic form of life while conservative values are all about hard work and raising children.
Guro and loli and even real child porn has very little importance. What really matters here is the idea that it is Ok to live that kind of life and waste effort on pleasure which is totally unproductive according to conservative values.
The reason why CP is banned is not because it hurts children but because people who do it are distracted from grown up women.
Same reason for everything else. Porn distracts men from work and women so state income falls people start living parasitic lives without contributing anything to society.
Of course few people like that will not do much of harm but this is only because majority thinks that this kind of life is wrong.
Even if fiction is not real it is capable of breaking that belief. Art can change peoples minds. Someone who was indoctrinated that something is evil and disgusting can easily change into exact opposite if he gets exposed to that disgusting stuff in the right way.
>>8771>still carry the ideological baggage of Protestant puritanism
This is exactly what I was thinking for awhile. I didn't want to directly point towards Christianity as the culprit, and I value its positive contributions to culture, but its puritanical outlook is a cancer that refuses to die. You phrased it as the Anglosphere, but are Catholics/Orthodox much different in this regard? Outside of religion, don't ideologies like communism operate in a similar way?
Regardless of how lurid music and casual discourse becomes, or how much "sexual liberation", is lauded, it's all superficial and the way people perceive things here says the same. People have said that loli isn't socially acceptable in Japan either and it's just "tolerated", but that's irrelevant. "Tolerance" in that form seems like common sense to me.
>it is still bare none the most free country in the world when it comes to artistic expression
Except genital censorship(which came from the west and 2-d artists barely follow), I'd say Japan is the most free. If somebody in the west actually made a game with loli in it, the media would go ballistic and the guys who made it would be fucked. I think that's what happened with Bernd und das Rätsel um Unteralterbach. Cultural censorship goes hand and hand with legal censorship.>>8772
This is an abstract way of looking at it. I don't condone real cp. Not sure it anybody actually thinks in these terms or if porn is more than just slightly correlated with a sedentary lifestyle. Hedonism and productivity isn't mutually exclusive in my opinion.
Hedonism is really opposite of productivity, hedonism means that you optimize your life for the minimum amount of suffering and maximum pleasure so you will try to work as little as possible and achieve as little as possible.
In fact even term "Gay" initially refereed not to the people who are into same gender partners but more about hedonistic men who like to have fun instead of working like normal men.
But considering CP and loli, just think this: what is the goal of parents who have children? If you are really fun an pleasure loving person you introduce your children into sex as early as possible just give then birth control pills and send them to have sex with each other and everyone. it is not that you force them to do something but just tell them that meaning of life is to have fun in any way which does not harm other people.
But this is not what most people want most parents do not want their children to spend all life on having fun they want their children to achieve some pointless things marry and have their own children. they must teach their children that sex is disgusting and horrible. And instead of sex you have to go into some useless sports or acquire some useless profession like become lawyer just anything except the most pleasant and inexpensive thing in life you can have.
By the way I was pretty much like that myself in my childhood I could never imagine what I will start liking later. And getting exposed to all that porn and anime changed my personality into almost exact opposite. So I can understand why conservatives are freaking out they really have a reason to be scared of all that stuff.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, that's a very backwards and simple way of looking at things. The very computer you type on and the internet as a whole exists because people chose to not just take the path of least resistance. I'd also say there's enjoyable things besides sex. Creating things and making discovers is enjoyable. Life can have work in it that's pleasurable. some pleasurable things can only be obtained by working. Your definition of hedonism is off. Society should be focused on making life more enjoyable in the long run, but what you're saying is ridiculous. Japan has loli, but they're some of the most overworked people in the world, so your connection doesn't work. I'm glad that there wasn't random adults molesting and making porn of me as a child. Even having to say that is bizarre.
Not that off, because I do not say that hedonism is all about doing nothing it is about optimizing your life for pleasure. Yes, creating things may be pleasurable but that is also hedonism if you do it for pleasure, instead of doing it because you just are supposed to do it.
Most people live their lives not to seek pleasure but simply following their indoctrination and fulfilling their role even if they do not experience any pleasure from that. They just do it because they are supposed to do it. many people even eventually regret it.
Of course I am also not in favor of children being molested as that would counterproductive but exposing children to all that porn and other information woud be pretty nice so that they could try it all on their own if they have any desire to try it. So sure you can be happy that you were not raped as child but imagine if you had access to all that porn you have today at the age of 4 or 5 or if your friend of the same age told you about the thing he/she found out and want to try with you? I remember at that age I was playing with other kids what we saw in movies but unfortunately I was not aware about that part at that time.
the thing what scares people about child molesting most of all is that those molested children can teach their children all that stuff they are trying to hide.
I even see real examples of pretty innocent stuff when some children just get naked or do other mildly erotic stuff without even being aware about that, and adults around freak out in fear that other kids will copy that. The biggest problem is to explain why this is wrong because it is actually pleasant and nobody gets hurt. Like if your 5 year old daughter lifts up her skirt and shows her pussy to boys, how do you explain her that she should not do that? What if boys actually decide to touch her there and she gets an orgasm?
I've never experienced anything like that as a child, but I did get my first computer at 4 without anybody supervising me, so I did technically have access to porn, I just never thought of looking for it. Most kids don't because their libidos aren't high and they're ignorant. I'm pretty sure worrying that kids will have sex at that age is the last thing on most people's mind actually. Media aimed at adolescent children here is too watered down and the difference is clearly seen when media is imported over, but that's a whole separate issue. Children having sex isn't normal in any developed nation, east or west for many reasons. There's no good reason to intentionally introduce them to that stuff as they'll find out on their own when they're readyp. This is a whole separate thing unrelated to this thread.
This is not related to libido so much it is simply about copying stuff which you saw also the way how it is presented to you had big importance.
But the reason why children are not supposed to have sex is precisely same why all that porn has to be banned. It is all same goal.
society wants you to get a job build a family and have children, not jerk off on some nonsense or run around having sex with everyone without any commitment. If you are not into normal stuff you are a freak and you have to be shamed and hated by everyone to make good example for the rest. Your life must be made as miserable as possible to make you understand that you chose wrong path.
If you eventually molest some child rape or kill someone that is just better, because now other people just hate your kind even more.
Most people on gurochan see their fetish as some mental disease and regret that they cannot be like normal people. instead of enjoying that and society wants it to stay that way.
Even feminists who logically should be happy that men find their own amusement and to not bother with women are upset with the fact that men are ditching relationship idea and replacing women with porn or sex dolls.
Consequences off all that porn and anime in Japan are also pretty evident their population is declining at the unprecedented rate. Sexual freedom always leads to population decline.
Society isn't some kind of hive mind or entity. Nobody thinks in the same terms as you do. I don't see society wanting the next generation to be productive as a bad thing and I don't think that necessarily leads to loli being banned. Not by itself. Somethings are connected, but not at the inherent and all-in-compassing way you think. What you have is a pretty weak, unsubstantiated theory shaped by personal bias. If people were screwing around like rabbits with no thought, the population would go up.
In fact Society is hive mind entity. When you are part of society you usually behave in the diffrent way as if you are alone there are many test on that, as if there are 3 diffrent lines drawn on the board and everyone says that they are same length typical human will say that they are all equal even if they are not. Only very few people dare to object, most will conform.
also according to those tests conforms drops if there are more people who object as if you have group and everyone says that lines are same length usually nobody dares to object but if you introduce someone who goes against the popular opinion test subject is very likely to follow and go against the mainstream as well.
So silencing all alternative opinions is very important or they can mess up all conformism.
Of course it is not going to lead to loli and guro being banned but the reason why some people are trying to ban it is exactly that. Most are not even logically aware why they just instinctively know that it is right thing to do and that's it.
By the way with the modern AI technology CP is going to turn totally obsolete because you already can replace one actor with another, so very soon you will be able to select any actors that you want in the video and it will not be even possible to prove which is the real one. Porn itself may become obsolete as well.
Since humans are not rabbits same rules do not apply. Humans have children out of desperation when their life becomes miserable and boring. When your life is just super great you have zero desire for children or commitment.
Just take one look at Mexico man. They perfectly encapsulate what you're describing. It's not a good model.
I don't tghink it has anything to do with mexico, as mexico is very conservative society where people are extremely hostile towards anyone who is hedonistic or abnormal in any way
Either way stop blaming religions and other nonsense, and think why it is all happening that way
as why over all human history of thousands of years we ended with this kind of situation.
>>positive contributions to culture,
You do realize that it sounds like you're blaming the Neocons, right? Guess how that movement got started: https://infogalactic.com/info/Neoconservatism>The movement had its intellectual roots in the Jewish monthly review magazine Commentary, published by the American Jewish Committee.
>I'm guessing religious fundees censoring radio airwaves in the eighties against evil roll and roll had something to do with some jewish guy too…
Wasn't that England, and back in the 60's (20 years earlier)? Although, looking it up, you could be referring to the PMRC, an organization founded by AL GORE'S WIFE: https://infogalactic.com/info/Tipper_Gore
And, I guess the bigger irnoy of it is that the purpose of the organization is to "increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related or sexual themes"; meanwhile she supports the LGBT community, which is filled to the brim with sluts, pedophiles, and serial killers.
I'm not blaming any amorphous group. People don't just start magically believing something because such and such "intellectual" wrote something in a magazine or editorial nobody cares about outside of a small circle. The seeds already existed and that's why it grew into something with real influence. Average, everyday people have to back it up for that to happen.
You're right about it being in England in the sixties, but I think there was some of that here too. Do you think those neocon Jews were bullshitting as part of a master plot?
>>8789>The seeds already existed and that's why it grew into something with real influence. Average, everyday people have to back it up for that to happen.
<Is that the reason why all Western media has gone full pozz with trying to push crap that has ZERO facts to back it up?>You're right about it being in England in the sixties, but I think there was some of that here too. Do you think those neocon Jews were bullshitting as part of a master plot?
Could you please rephrase that, because I don't believe I'm reading that correctly.
I saw that video already. I'm a fan of er.>>8792
I think you'd be hard pressed to find main stream media sources that outright state any of those things. I wouldn't know though. Seems like that comes mostly from outright extremists. I don't know where they initially come up with anything, but it seems self perpetuating and fueling. People can profit by spreading bullshit, but I don't think it's part of a coordinated plan to destroy society. It's for self profit and acaim. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
I'm wondering whether you think Jews pretend to believe things as part of a larger plot, or if they genuinely believe what they say they do.
>>8793>People can profit by spreading bullshit, but I don't think it's part of a coordinated plan to destroy society. It's for self profit and acaim. Do you have evidence to the contrary?https://invidio.us/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
Remember that purpose of Communism has been to destabilize and subvert every single any nation it comes into contact with: https://archive.fo/h5VKg>Lenin was briefly discredited among Russian communists as the recipient of capitalist support, but after the murders of the czar and his family on July 17, 1918, he went on the offensive. At a party conference, he said that he was often accused of having achieved revolution only with the help of German money. This, he countered, was something he had never denied. Instead, he insisted, "I would, however, like to add that we will stage a similar revolution in Germany with Russian money."
And, the Jewish involvement with Communism is completely undeniable: https://archive.fo/M4kqr
>I'm wondering whether you think Jews pretend to believe things as part of a larger plot, or if they genuinely believe what they say they do.
Here's the Jewish religion explained in plain detail: https://archive.fo/ihPYs
Except neocons aren't communist. You're coming into this with the preconceived notion that Jews do everything and are responsible for every bad thing in society always. You're making connections because of this that might not really be there. It's like feminists blaming men for all of societies problems and saying they're being kept down by the patriarchy. Do you think every Jew with money and power owns a copy of the Talmud? Do you think Jewish communist revolutionaries were deeply entrenched in religion? Are Jews trying to "spread degeneracy" or censor everything violent and sexual? How do these two goals line up exactly? Because they're trying to take over the planet? How do you know? Because of the Talmud, which seculars don't read?
>>8796>Do you think every Jew with money and power owns a copy of the Talmud?
I'd assume majority of them do because Kikes cling to their religion like crazy, with very few exceptions.>Do you think Jewish communist revolutionaries were deeply entrenched in religion?
Yes. As a side not, did you read the link I posted?>Are Jews trying to "spread degeneracy" or censor everything violent and sexual? How do these two goals line up exactly?
What if I told you that it's both? And, yes, that does mean it's a paradox from the very beginning. However, that's not the point. The point is that the latter results in a group denying their very identity, and the former results in a group being replaced in their identity. If you want to see an example of it in practice, ask a (Progressive) feminist or a faggot (Even better if they're European) how the Islam religion treats gays and women, and watch as they flounder about.>Because they're trying to take over the planet? How do you know?
Because of the records, dating back centuries, and talking about how the Jews have acted in the exact same .>Because of the Talmud, which seculars don't read?
I'm sorry, what? Are you saying that the Jews don't read their own Bible?
stop polluting this board with your antisemitism
Well you just quoted a bunch of cunts and some alright guys on a bad day.
Voltaire I still think is a generally cool dude, and look, as a guy who hates everyone and particularly distrusts the religious and is more often opposed to Jews than others, Jews aren't innately bad or anything.
(Aside from that they're people and people suck.)
But I just love that some idiot SJW is going to point at you being here, not at any of the egalitarians arguing against or in defense of Jews, and say that this whole chan is antisemitic.
It's not just a lot of those you hate who should be murdered, you're far more of a cancer than they are.
>>8801>But I just love that some idiot SJW is going to point at you being here, not at any of the egalitarians arguing against or in defense of Jews, and say that this whole chan is antisemitic.>It's not just a lot of those you hate who should be murdered, you're far more of a cancer than they are.
Point to me where I said we should "gas the kikes"? I know that doesn't solve anything, as has been evidenced by the past couple thousand years. ANY idiot who's studied even the smallest amount of history knows that doesn't solve anything. All it does is boost their victim narrative. If you actually want to hear what may take on the problem is, it's to treat them like social pariahs until they submit to the culture and society they wish live. Like we should be doing with all foreign influences who wish to immigrate, regardless of their past culture and with NO EXCEPTIONS.
This used to be the way societies operated (And why certain ones survived while others toppled when they became "multicultural"). It isn't until the past 50 years that people began rejecting this in the name of "progress" and "tolerance". So, now, you have every single Western country have it's power upserted by foreigners who have no real wish to adapt to the country they've entered, much less respect it. This goes out to the Kikes most of all due to how much they've perverted their religion over the centuries. And, if they don't want to adapt, then the guy can go to Israel and shut up. Literally the only country in the world created specifically for the Jews. They allow ANY and ALL Kikes to enter and take citizenship within the country regardless of any past actions. And, if they end up intentionally pissing off their neighbors, like they have been doing, and end up getting wiped out as a result, not my problem. I have my own issues in my own life that I need to worry about.
Way to show that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
>>8797>The point is that the latter results in a group denying their very identity, and the former results in a group being replaced in their identity.
I fail to see how creative/entertainment censorship is connected with identity. I'm not sure what exactly you mean by identity in this context though. Also, Jews are a race. Italian Jews are more closely related to Russian Jews than to Italians. Therefore, I'm almost certain that many Jews have never layed their eyes upon, and most don't own, a Talmud.
I've spent way too much time lurking stormfront, so I have a feel of the ins and outs of this sort of ideology, and the main two arguments for how this supposed grand Jew plot is sustained over time is either because Jews work for Satan, or they have a genetic predisposition for it. The first explanation has no scientific weight to it and is based on purposely misleading, translated Bible quotes. For instance, in the original language, the word for synagogue and gathering/assembly is the same, but the James translator used one word in positive circumstances, and another for negative ones. Mistranslation is where "Jehovah" comes from. Unless you can read it in the original text, you don't understand scripture.
The second explanation has no experimental data or genetic analysis backing it up. How behavior that specific would evolve so quickly is also a mystery. I'm all for modern scientific research on the topic of behavior and race. There's evidence to show that the way dna interacts is different depending on race, so even if they very closely match, that's not the entire story. When it comes to expulsions, i'm not convinced that they kicked every single one out. >>8798
I agree. It's derailing. This will be my last post on the topic.
It is just astonishing how stupid people can be.
Does anyone of you who blame Jews even raised a question why they supposedly do all that Or everyone is so brainwashed Hollywood propaganda and cannot idea that there are some motives besides of being plain good and evil is mad talk?
If you want to accuse Jews for being evil at least try to understand their motivation of what they are trying to achieve