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 No.6012

I have always been fascinated by this.

While I do enjoy mild gay bdsm, whenever I see a thread here about penis/testicle cutting/crushing of males, I have to scroll past it.

I have heard of "mirror neurons", apparently some kind of receptors in in the brain that make you feel empathy and make you "wince" when you witness injury.

My question is how, as a male, are you able to look at this and actually enjoy it? Is this mirror neuron response dead in you, or do you enjoy it despite?

For males who enjoy the thought of HAVING these things done to them, I am DOUBLY interested. If your mirror neuroma fire when you see penile/testicular gore, and you STILL enjoy the fantasy of it happening to you, I would be very interested to hear a description of what you enjoy about it

 No.6013

Are we talking about actual injuries, or just depictions? There are lots of ways to depict things without taking a photo of it actually happening. People don't usually have the empathy reaction to something the know isn't real.

Just consider all the action movies where people get shot all over the screen. People seem to love that sort of movie, yet most of them would probably pass out if they saw someone shot in in real life. For some reason when it's fake, it's fun, but when it's real, it's horrifying.

So the fake/real distinction is pretty important. Even when we're talking about people fantasizing about it happening to themselves, that's just another kind of fake. Probably not many people who enjoy that fantasy would also go for it in reality.

 No.6014

I disagre with that thory, becxause of simple logic reasons.

Mirror neurons cannot work in that way simply because none of us actually experienced anything of that on our body. The could only do that in the situation when you actually experienced that event yourself and if it was strong enough to be remembered.

So the only thing our empathy can rely on is facial expressions and context. It does not matter if it is real or fantasy as when I see someone being hurt in the normal movie it makes me sad but if this is happening in guro manga it is enjoyable and if this is happening in the tom and jerry cartoon it is just funny.
Thus our mirror neurons are supposed to evaluate emotional state of another being and not just respond to whast is happening to them but evaluate lots of things including the fact if we actually care about that person. As if we like someone we will feel bad if something bad happens to them but if we hate them we feel happy when our enemies get hurt.

As for my own situation, like someone who learned about injuries and torture from movies, I see them as only mild discomfort.
In fact, I do not really care about pain even in real life as I see it not as suffering but as the annoyance which consumes your attention and as loss of functionality.
If I see someone being castrated all I think is "now he won't be able to have sex"

However in situations when I see some character suffering like she is crying or looks sad or something bad happens It is also stressful for me as well.
As It happened in one manga where the father was torturing/raping his wife along with his little son, and she slipped from the ropes fell down on her head and died and this was very sad for me too. Not because she died but because the boy was in shock as his mother just died as well as her husband who just lost his wife.
Same thing happened with "Mai chan daily life" manga where none of those horrible tortures had any efefct, but when may cry on 2 occasions when people whom she loved died it made me feel bad too.

Considering penis torture If I imagine that happening to me I in the fantasy also see it as only mild nuisance as it will grow back next day lol
but if I think about is as about real thing my response is that will just fer a month and then I imagine whast problems it will going to cause but whast happens at the moment is not very relevant.

 No.6015

There seem to be at least two distinct types of appeal toward genital mutilation, the type that views it as a sexual act, and the type that views it as violence.

When it is viewed as a sex act, it tends to be depicted as a positive thing, where the victim wants it to happen and enjoys the experience, much as one finds in other sexual fantasies. There's probably no way to explain the source of this appeal, just as any other sexual attraction is impossible to explain.

When it is viewed as violence, it's surely depicted as a negative thing, and the appeal is much the same as the appeal of any other sort of violence. For some inexplicable reason, people love to watch violence, especially harmless fictional violence. It's like the safe thrill of a roller coaster, exciting and fun.

The violent type has an extra sexual component to the appeal, in addition to the ordinary appeal of violence. Losing any limb is horrific because of the way it will mess up a person's life, but losing your genitals tends to only mess up your life in a very particular way: sex. Therefore the horror expressed by the victim can be seen as a kind of sexual horror, because it based in sexual desire. It's like an extreme form of sexual tension, where people want to have sex but can't, only in this case the reason they can't have sex is physical and permanent.

 No.6016

>>6014
>>6015

Thanks guys

I find it very interesting that you mention a subconscious idea of "it will grow back in a month"

In my view, you've just revealed a key difference in our psychology

When I envision genital mitigation happening to myself, I consider it in terms of permanent, life changing tragedy. Of forever losing a part of yourself, and a large aspect of your human function, forever, in a Freudian psychological sense.

It is hard for me to eroticise the concept of permanent loss of function.

This makes the images much more jarring for me.

 No.6017

>>6015
There is one problem with fictional violence(when you imagine yourself as victim) is that it cannot exist as if you are fantasizing about being raped or attacked it automatically becomes a consensual thing.
Same thing with fictional fear horror it cannot exist because you are fully aware of everything and thus there cant be any fear or tension.

I suppose in those situations the main goal is getting attention and avoiding responsibility. when you know that it is completely safe it is quite nice to be in the center of attention.

when you associate yourself with attacker/rapist then, of course, it is just power fantasy as it is all about taking control of someones else sex life.

 No.6018

>>6017
> There is one problem with fictional violence(when you imagine yourself as victim) is that it cannot exist as if you are fantasizing about being raped or attacked it automatically becomes a consensual thing.

Fantasies can be layered and complicated. Just because you're choosing to fantasize about a thing, doesn't mean the thing is consensual within the fantasy. Sometimes people desire for something to happen against their will, especially when they're too afraid to consent to it, or when having it forced adds to the excitement. Being a little god in control of everything can be boring, and the only alternative is for things to sometimes happen when you don't want them to happen.

> Same thing with fictional fear horror it cannot exist because you are fully aware of everything and thus there cant be any fear or tension.

It's possible to fantasize about something that actually frightens you, like a real risk you face in your life. If you're going to a meeting with your boss, you might be worried about being fired, and fantasizing about that meeting could evoke real fear

 No.6020

>>6018
>>Sometimes people desire for something to happen against their will.
This is precisely what I find logically impossible because if you desire it to happen it cannot happen against your will, because it is your will.

>>It's possible to fantasize about something that actually frightens you, like a real risk you face in your life.

If you are worrying about whast can happen for real it is not a fantasy anymore. that's neuroticism or anxiety. Being worried is not same as being scared.
But I doubt that it could be possible to do even that because if you are worrying about something you cant do anything about that as well as if you are not worrying you won't start worrying without real reason.

 No.6022

>>6020
> If you desire it to happen it cannot happen against your will, because it is your will.

Fantasies often contain things that cannot happen. Certainly if a person wants a thing to happen, it cannot happen against his will, but often a person will fantasize about being people other than himself. He can fantasize that he doesn't want it to happen, so in that fantasy it is against his well even though in reality it would be his will.

In other words, he desires to not desire the thing, even as he desires it. We can expect this to happen mostly when a person knows that it would be bad for him, such as genital mutilation.

 No.6023

>>6022
I would say that this is becoming too complex LOL
But this cannot change the fact that if you want it it is not against your will no matter how complex excuses you will invent.

What you describe seems more like a fantasy about someone else than yourself and that another you is supposed to feel all those things while real you is only observer

 No.6024

>>6023
> What you describe seems more like a fantasy about someone else than yourself and that another you is supposed to feel all those things while real you is only observer.

Exactly. Is it surprising that people would fantasize about being someone else? Isn't it common to fantasize about doing things that you don't want to do?

It would seem that most violent power fantasies are like this. One might fantasize about being an action hero, shooting people, blowing things up, but that doesn't mean those things are really desired. Most people would be horrified to shoot a gun at a real person. It's a fantasy about another life where you're not you, and you do things you wouldn't want to do, but in the unreality of the fantasy it's all good fun.

On the victim side, it is fairly common for people to fantasize about being raped. Obviously they are making the fantasy happen in their minds, so nothing is being forced upon them, but they're putting themselves in the place of the victim, imagining being someone who doesn't want this fantasy to unfold this way.

 No.6025

>>6024
>>Is it surprising that people would fantasize about being someone else? Isn't it common to fantasize about doing things that you don't want to do?

It is not surprising at all, but logically this means that you are fantasizing about someone else, not about yourself.
as instead of felling stuff you just think how it would feel and look like.

I would say that there can be either first or third person fantasy. where you either interact with everyone else somehow or you see yourself from outside and whats happens but in that case you cannot have an authentic experience.

As if for example someone blinds your eyes you are still perfectly capable to see everything whast is going on.
or even if you faint or even die you are still perfectly capable to "experience" whast is happening to your supposedly dead body and continue as if nothing happened.
Also even if you lose body parts or genitals it is nothing different than if they are still attached to your body If some girl is sucking your severed dick in the fantasy it feels exactly same as if it is still attached to you except that you get better view :)
So instead of actually imagining how it would feel if that was happening to you, you are thinking how it would look like.

If that was first person fantasy if you get blinded you should imagine being in the darkness while being poked pushed etc.
If you die that should instantly end your fantasy.
And if you lose your body parts you should be totally focused on the pain Instead of trying to jerk off your severed dick.
That would make everything pretty boring.

There is no logical problems Being invincible action hero from either perspective. and the only reason why you don't actually want to happen that in the real life is because the real world is not fantasy and here you will face rists and consequences

If you were actually invincible and had the ability to restore the world to the desired state I think there would be no problems shooting people for real and blowing things up. maybe it would be disappointing that other people behave not as you woud like.

 No.6028

Nothing makes me hornier than the thought of being permanently horny and teased. Obviously just a fantasy not to be realized.

Ruined orgasms are another turn on. Fortunately you can have a happy ending *after* a ruined. :-)

 No.6030

>>6028
>>Ruined orgasms are another turn on. Fortunately you can have a happy ending *after* a ruined. :-)

Considering that ruined orgasm terminology shouldn't it be the exact opposite?
For me, it is experience ruining orgasm if it actually happens. LOL

 No.6037

So, CBT/Castration is by far my most favored fetish. When I'm looking at fictional porn of it away from other people and in a sexual way, I never feel sympathy pain. When I see it happen in real life or when I'm around other people, and I haven't gone out of my way to find it myself for sexual pleasure, it makes me feel very uncomfortable. I imagine that's not because of "mirror neurons" though. More because I'm seeing something that I find sexually arousing in a public area. Like, watching TV or a movie with other people and someone gets hit in the balls.

I feel fucked up in a lot of ways for being like this. I think I'm desensitizing myself to the fetish more and more, so I have to keep finding more sadistic art/stories to satisfy me. Just a few years ago, I would have been squicked by seeing castration or a penectomy. I would rather have settled for more tame stuff. So maybe conditioning has something to do with it too. The more I see it, the less it affects me.

 No.6075

>>6030

You can ruin an orgasm briefly, and then keep going...

 No.6102

>>6037
Do you fantasise about it being done to others or yourself? Or both?



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