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 No.5757

Enclaved said a few weeks ago that he'd be interested in implementing tags for literature stories, maybe even RP (that's a speculation on my behalf). I think that's a good idea, personally. He asked us to compile a list of tags, not TOO specific, but at least the basics so that the system can be tested out.

I have no idea how he plans to implement it, but I would suggest the tags to be for each individual post, rather than thread. Perhaps if the base tags are well enough curated, there could be another field added when posting in lit. The actual tagging I suppose would work best if it's left to the author. BUT there are already a lot of threads and fuck if I know how tagging each of those would work.

That being said, I should probably start the tags list:

1.By number of participant, sex and domination/submissiveness. (two lower or capital letters would mean consensual)
F/M=f/m=m/f=M/F (this would be one tag, no matter how it's written) -single male and female;
F/m =/= M/f - 2 tags for dominant male or female;
F+/m=/=M+/f - 2 tags for multiple (fe)males in a dominant role;
F+/M+ - basically 1 tag for consensual orgies

I can already see how this combinatorial sex/number problem will probably turn people away, but I tried to make it into a relatively manageable concept.

Consent is a big thing for most people, so it should be added as an extra tag (con / noncon)


2.Other guro related (here I'll list only what I find mainstream, anyone else should probably contribute to this list if s/he feels this is MISSING smth.)

-snuff
-torture
-decapitation
-dismemberment
-gutting
-slashing/cutting
-eye gouging
-strangling
-hanging
-garroting
-shooting
-debreasting / breast mutilation / mastectomy (just one tag pls)
-cooking
-dolcett
-drowning
-impalement
-vore
-hard vore
-belly punching
-combat gore / zako (1 tag)
-headfuck
-gutfuck
-throatfuck
-vivisection
-penectomy

That's about all off the top of my mind.
Please copy my list and add to it, so that we get a final product (hopefully with no duplicates) that is 'digestible' by Enclaved.

 No.5758

Okay, here are my thoughts.

> 1.By number of participant, sex and domination/submissiveness.

I've seen something like this elsewhere and they use:
capital M and F for adults,
lowercase m and f for teens,
b and g for preteen boys and girls.
Submissiveness is already shown by which goes before the slash and which after. So g/M would be a preteen girl dominating an adult man.
Consent would be shown by a separate tag anyway. M/F cons would be consensual with the male taking the initiative and F/M cons would be the same with the female taking the initiative (if you're not sure, just put M/F for the man doing the fucking).
But anyway, regardless of whether we add this age division or not, there might be all kind of combination, making such a tag useful for informing of what is going on in the story, but not so useful for searching by that tag.
This is why it might be wise to have a separate tag for sexual orientation, which should at least include options for straight, gay (male), lesbian and bisexual. But probably there should also be separation between bisexual males and females. Don't think one for straight males and females is needed, as the presence of straight sex in the story already means there are both a male and a female involved. You can use more then one tag in this category and they apply to the sexual acts in your story rather then the characters. Like, if you have a story about a bisexual man raping a lesbian girl, you should use the straight tag.
For the same reason there might be a separate category of tags for characters age, this might include: fetus, newborn, toddler, preteen, teen, adult and whatever comes after that I am not interested in.
The usage scenario will be that for example you want a story with straight sex, so you search the straight tag and then look through the M/fgg type of tags for additional details on each story.

Since I specialize on consensual and casual guro, I can't help but suggest a bit more detail to that.
Consent is a bit tricky since consent to sex might differ from consent to guro stuff. Ideally there should be a separate category of tags for each.
For sex there might be: con_sex, nc_sex, prostitution (it just occurred to me that sex for money kinda falls under level of consent), maybe something in-between.
For guro there might be:
willing - the victim is eager to do it, probably doing it on their own initiative,
consensual - the victim doesn't mind doing it, probably not on their own initiative,
reluctant - the victim does mind, but doesn't resist,
murder - speaks for itself,
execution - speaks for itself.

Then, it also occurred to me only when thinking of tags, casualness should be a separate category from consent. Casualness should describe the setting and consent - the characters' attitude. For example:
casual consensual - a girl being consensually snuffed in a setting where it is common to do so, like in some of my own stories, in Rosie's stories, who else? Right, Lord of Pancakes, we're still waiting for Tails.
casual non-consensual - a girl being roasted against her will in a setting where it is common to do so, like in a Dolcett world.
non-casual consensual - a girl from a normal world seeking to be killed, I remember there being a bunch of such stories on the old gurochan (back when it was gurochan.net), often the girl would organize things in her life beforehand, try not to leave traces, sometimes find a secret society of guro lovers who would help killing her in an entertaining way and help with organizing her disappearance too. The fact that what the character doing is not normal in the society is rather essential in such stories, giving her even more thrill and putting under risk of being discovered. That makes it fundamentally different from casual consensual.
non-casual non-consensual - any murder story.

 No.5759

We'll be in over our heads in no time, but at the same time I think tags are a good idea, so that lazy fucks like me can more easily discover stories they might enjoy.

 No.5763

>>5758
>>Submissiveness is already shown by which goes before the slash and which after. So g/M would be a preteen girl dominating an adult man.

While your idea looks good in theory, it is unusual and will cause misunderstandings, usually capital letters mean domination regardless of their position just like 47 explained
except that he forgot b and g letter for boy and girl what is probably the most important issue.

If tagging was done your way, I guess there should be no slash if there is no domination.
As MF is male and female on equal terms, or Mb/g male and boy dominating girl.

 No.5768

>>5763
> While your idea looks good in theory, it is unusual and will cause misunderstandings, usually capital letters mean domination regardless of their position just like 47 explained.

Is that so? It would seem ASSTR, the biggest collection of sex stories I know of, uses capital and lowercase letters for age, or at least so it says in their FAQ. Speaking of which, it might be useful to see what other tags they have there, so here's a link:
http://www.asstr.org/~Uther_Pendragon/code/scfa.htm

> If tagging was done your way, I guess there should be no slash if there is no domination.

Good point.

 No.5782

>>5768
You are right, quite a lot of sites use that coding but not all
http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/stories/code_explain.php

But now I agree that your way is better and should be used here.

 No.5783

Unless you're OK with a separate post form field for tags, you gotta decide on in-subject format: [tag, ...] or (tag, ...) or [tag][tag]... or whatever. But I would rather have a separate field with tags delimited by commas.

 No.5784

>>5783
If it is possible the best way would be to add an additional field where anyone can do editing and add tags.
When the story progresses it usually gets new content, so there must be an easy way to change tags as well.

 No.5785

>>5784
I think editing of tags could be feasible by using passwords. You can edit a post's tags if you have the password, same as deleting the post.

IMO the best way to add tags would be on each new post.

>>5783
Yes. A tag subfield would be best. It could pop up upon pressing another button so it doesn't 'clutter' the interface for everyone who browses /lit/

Do you envision a sort by or search by tag function,how would you implement it?

 No.5786

>It could pop up upon pressing another button so it doesn't 'clutter' the interface for everyone who browses /lit/

A popup won't work, we need to support users without JavaScript, remember. I suppose adding a single input field above the post message in the form won't make it any more cluttered, and for viewers the entire form is hidden by default anyway.

>Do you envision a sort by or search by tag function,how would you implement it?

Sure, the ultimate goal is search by tags as on booru-like boards.



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