This is not the best opener
If you want to spawn an honest
You seem to simply want 'echos'
of your own opinion.
A few points:
First, to answer your question, no. I do not despise women. Any more than I despise LGBT people, people of colour, children, the elderly, etc. That is not to say I like everyone. There I women I like, women I dislike, just as much as there are men I like and dislike. It's an individual thing and to make any statement as broad as "All X are…" just seems foolish.
Second, let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that you are right and women as a species are the spawn of Satan. Why are you putting so much energy into hating them and obsessing over your hatred? Do you really not have better things to do with your time and energy? If women are as bad as you say, do they really deserve so much of your focus? You can be damn sure they don't think about you as often or intently as you think about them, if at all, so who is being hurt by your hatred other than yourself? Personally I don't have the energy to hate anyone. Sure, I dislike and choose to avoid some people but hatred requires passion and I don't feel like spending my passion on those I don't like and who probably don't care what I think of them anyway!
Thirdly, I'm guessing your feelings towards women come from some kind of experiences early on (as you state you have "always" hated them). Perhaps your mother was abusive or you were raised by a single dad who passed on his own bitterness? In any case, to say you hate women because of specific bad women is to let them off too lightly, practically giving them an excuse. If a person, man or woman, young or old, is bad and behaves badly that is squarely on them - to say they were bad because they were a woman is to take away their responsibility. If all women are bad then no individual woman can help her behaviour - do you really want to give them that excuse? Work out where your "hatred" comes from and, if you can't let it go, at least focus it where it's deserved.
Finally, kinda to return to an earlier point, quit torturing yourself by obsessing over your hatred. You don't like the company of women? Fine, avoid them where possible as long as you can be civil when your paths cross. Nobody is demanding you love all or any women. Find something else to fill your life, something constructive.
I'm not saying you're wrong, even 'though I disagree with you. Maybe women ARE all evil but so what? You're not going to change them so shrug and move on.
Peace out x
It's just you mate. Grow up!
I can just repeat what I already said before and what >>10595
Regardless how horrible or evil are women, this is not a reason to hate them.
Hating something implies your obsession with that thing. And it is proven by the fact that you cannot even make a single post about anything else than women and how you hate them. It looks as if there is nothing else in your head.
You cannot even respond intelligently besides repeating same statements over and over.
Telling someone to grow up is not a mature response.
Never said it was :-P But now I'm not inviting you to my birthday party any more!
Remove this dumbfuck teenager thread. I'm serious. Mods, delete this embarrassing bullshit.
OP is an INCEL
How does hating women equate to being an incel? Not everyone who hates women are incels and not all incels hate women.
"Incel" is a word that's been over-used to the point it's lost all meaning, much like "Cuck" that some users here seem so fond of.
What the OP is without doubt is damaged - whether that be by a (specific) woman or women or by other men who indoctrinated him we cannot say.
At the risk of sounding like Yoda, he needs to let go of his hatred. Maybe in time he'll learn to form friendships with women, maybe not, but if he does not let it go, the hatred is going to destroy him.
This is pure speculation but I would imagine, given his apparent one-track mind, that he does not have many (if any) male friends either which will only fuel his feelings of isolation and disenfranchisement.
What the OP needs is a hug and the chance to scream or cry out whatever pain is fuelling his hatred so, hopefully, he can begin to heal.
This is an 18+ board. Ban OP and delete the thread.
Well while it is inaccurate word "cuck" is about guys who are willing to serve women and buy their attention and sex with their work and resources. they feel pleasure from being used and serving women.
for a hardcore cuck the fact that woman took his gift already feels orgasmic. And he needs nothing back, because he is a good guy who only wants to do good things for sake of being good LOL
But usually they will want something back and this will irritate women who expect that men should be giving them stuff without expecting anything back.
OP is essentially complaining that women are not adhering to the "contract" properly, as he paid her and she does not fall in love with him at all. Or he gave her chocolate bar she ate it and refused to suck his dick this way scamming him.
And this is why he hates them.
Obviously hugs and friendships will not help here and only make things worse because hugging/being friends with someone who thinks that you are disgusting/repulsive is not extremely pleasant and makes you hate them (or yourself) even more.
I didn't mean friendships with women to begin with - OP just clearly needs some human contact to break him out of his one-person echo chamber!
I don't think he needs that either. He does not look like a person who needs such kind of human contact that much (or else he would just pay for it like most do), but who knows.
Most likely after making few posts how he hates women he will calm down, and recognize how stupid it was.
Not at all, I tend to judge people on an individual basis like a rational person. I don't hate women, I just love the idea of them being slaughtered like livestock.
"or he would just pay for it"
Onix, again I say, I disagree with most of what I read by you but sometimes you put forth what I find just so peculiarly pragmatic whether I disagree or not that there's something charming.
There's a massive difference between paid-for contact and genuine affection and intimacy and when I say he needs a hug I'm not talking about anything sexual - just something platonic but loving. A bro-hug if you like. Something that makes him feel safe to release his trauma.
OP I can tell you're a teenager or a shut-in because if you had an ounce of life experience you'd understand 1) that you are projecting your own fears and inadequacies onto women, and 2) that, like men, women are varied and multifaceted human beings. Some are good on the whole, some are bad all around like you, most are somewhere in between just trying to get through the day. You've probably never suffered a day in your life so maybe there's hope for you after you live a little, but I doubt it.
And you >>10641
, Horus, need to recognize that there are worldviews and character traits you can't hug away. People are moldable, but some worldviews — like those of the slave owners — are tied in to a person's ego and cannot easily be changed. Some character traits — again see the slave owners — arise from those rotten worldviews, and others are congenital. Narcissism is thought to be mostly congenital, and most mass shooters are thought to be narcissists. Psychopathy is thought to be entirely congenital. Either way, congenital or not, you can't always hug it better. Ted Bundy was incurable, and most slave owners were all but incurable.
Maybe OP's curable, maybe he's not, but you'd need to do more than just hug him. He has an entire worldview that would need to be changed, and it's tied in to his ego and his image of himself. Even if he were the sort of person who actively tries to understand the world — and he's not — you'd still need to spend a while convincing him, not just altering his emotional state. As it is there's probably little you can do. You could gather up stories of heroic, self-sacrificing women, women who went to war zones to care for the innocent, women who invented new medicines, and that shit would bounce right off him because his hatred of women props up his ego.
You think the guys at Bayer pharmaceuticals, who knowingly sold HIV-infected blood transfusions to hospitals around the world, could be hugged better? Not all shittiness derives from trauma. Those guys were intelligent and calculating, and the lives they destroyed didn't keep them up at night because they were wealthy egotists who saw themselves as apart from and above the rest of humankind. I should use the present tense, actually, since they're still alive and still rich.
True, not everyone can but some can and OPs views have to come from somewhere. He didn't just wake up one day and decide to despise women. To me he does not sound actively evil, he sounds damaged, in pain. Call it intuition if you like but he sounds like he has been starved of love and maybe, just maybe, a little genuine kindness could help him onto a better path. Maybe it wouldn't work but maybe it would.
Yes, I'm an old hippie!
Well, that depends on your dominance and submissiveness(aka agreeableness) levels, homophobia and sex drive.
For example for me being hugged by some superior figure does not feel that good or safe, it makes me feel low because I don't want my life to depend on someone else. Hugging someone inferior or weaker than me is pretty pleasant as an expression of my power. If we both are on the same level this starts to feel sexual. As if we both are in a good mood it should continue into something more pleasant
So to cure someone dominant, you need not make him safe but to let him make someone else safe and put him in the situation when someone depends on him not when he depends on someone.>>10644
I think nobody really cares what women do in war or how they save kittens from the burning houses. That is cuck thinking in the first place when you care more about the world more than you care about yourself.
What matters is what those women do for you and what they think about you. >>10647
this actually happens most of the time when you find out how the things work
and that you will never get what you really want.
You either get into depression or into this angered state
so maybe it is not really that bad because it is better than depression
The next step getting out of that state is to become cynic.
As the OP, I’m not a teenager to those wondering. I’m an adult and I just hate women. It’s nothing that big.>>10637
I see what you mean. Any reasons you hate women/cunts?
Umm… he specifically said he DOESN'T hate women - he just has a kink (like most of us on this site). You seem to be seeing what you want to see rather than what people are actually saying.
You say your hating women is not a big deal but it seems to be a big deal for you! What else is going on in your life? Do you have hobbies? Do you work? What's your social life like?
I don’t really have a social life much. I stay at home since I don’t like going out. My hobbies are video games and writing. Unable to work due to being NEET for almost ten years (can’t afford community college). I have a hatred of women due to my mother being abusive and due to society coddling them, whilst men suffer daily and witnessing her abuse my father was enough for me. I have thankfully never been asked out and don’t plan to because I don’t want to associate myself with such parasites. However, I am happy living alone because alone is where the heart is. I’m unable to form connections with people due to being neglected and sheltered.
I had an abusive mother too and it left me with a lot of issues. Seems I profiled you pretty accurately so my suggestion stands. I understand your difficulties in getting out etc but is there any way you could expand your circle even a little? Heck, go to AA-type support groups like in Fight Club - anything that gets you more human contact.
>>10655>>I see what you mean. Any reasons you hate women/cunts?
since you are asking that other people maybe you will tell us why you hate women yourself, but just please no more regurgitating of that INCEL/MGTOW crap. unless you admit that you are cuck
Tell us your own reasons not not some stuff you obviously could not care less.
I am totally sure you are not living with a girlfriend who treats you like shit you are not married to frigid and angry landwhale, you did not experienced divorce rape you do not pay alimony or child support and you are not a kind of person woud give a flying shit about those cucks who actually have to endure all that LOL
Probably women/girls did not even do anything bad to you ever where could not blame yourself or society. (except maybe female teachers who are often worst kind of people)
Like in my situation, when I can just hate my own ignorance for losing good opportunities, and actually hating girls at that time for something about what now I am dreaming to happen again.
This actually happens to many guys who actually get lucky and waste their luck in the worst possible way.
Why do I find this thread
amusing to read?
He actually gave a pretty clear account of himself above.
Looks like you told all that before I made my post.
If it is all about your mother as you describe you can't blame women, because your mother is by definition a special thing which has no equivalent in other people.
But considering other things it looks like you you are doing fine. So why all that hate? Do you want something to be diffrent?
>>10644>"You could gather up stories of heroic, self-sacrificing women, women who went to war zones to care for the innocent, women who invented new medicines, and that shit would bounce right off him because his hatred of women props up his ego.""
Dude thank you.
This dude doesn't care about reality. He'll blatantly bullshit, the 3 pronged type:
..insisting women haven't done as they have,
..and demanding that they do so, when they're obliged to take his orders, clearly,
..and further for berating them for doing what he says they haven't done and should be doing!
I can understand a degree of contempt- hey, even as a guy that thinks men aren't better, I've seen a nasty cunt on a bad day.
But Damn! Tell a pilot she isn't a pilot and should stay in the kitchen then get mad at her for being a house wife…
Shut-in with zero life experience hates all women because his mother abused him.
Delete the thread.
Both my parents abused me. My mom used to threaten to swerve our car off the road at high speed. I never hated all women. I left home at 18 and met some of the other four billion women on this planet, and it turns out lots of them are pretty great, but even before then I never hated all women. I never fell into that trap because I never saw other people as objects the way OP does. Abuse isn't enough to make someone think like OP.
People who see other people as objects do not hate those objects they use them and enjoy pretty good success ;)
Hating an object is pretty stupid idea so rethink your claims ;)
Onix, I don't respect you or value your opinion. This is the first time I've ever responded to one of your dumbfuck comments on this site.
You basically just said psychopaths cannot get angry at other people. It's so dumb it's just not worth responding to except to say how dumb it is.
There are people so stupid as to see others as objects and hate them.
This was really funny. You never responded to any of my comments but decided to respond to the one which is not worth responding LOL
Oh well, thanks for a laugh but I will not bother arguing.>>10678
yes, maybe some are.
But usually, it is not like that :)
Onix, you dumb narcissist, there is no argument. Don't stand there in the corner giggling to yourself about how you COULD argue but it's not worth your time. There is no argument. All I'd have to do is post one video of an angry psychopath, and the whole discussion would be over. All your thoughts are as bad as this, just bullshit you arrived at by pure logic without observing the world around you. You'd have scoffed at Copernicus, you fucking nerd. This is why I ignore you, as far as I've seen you have nothing intelligent to say.
Can we please delete this fucking thread?
Oh, don't think I am not arguing because I am valuing my time that much. It is just that I did not expect you to reply to what I will say anyway.
You and this beautiful pervert dislike me not because I am dumb but because I have diffrent moral values. So your augments will be funny for me at best and my arguments will be incomprehensible for you as well.
Unfortunately no. Sorry I haven’t responded. I’m unable to reach out because I’m unable to drive and am housebound. Due to my trauma and phobia of women (gynophobia), I not only have a phobia of them, but an intense dislike that ranges. In the last year or so, I joined some forums and websites dedicated to being anti-female and it helped me.
A little gift from me TheHornyRock to all you haters out there!
Let's hate them together!
I have to take my words, back as being irrelevant, because this is not that kind of hate which we all expected to be.>>10692
next time better explain all that before it turns into several page discussion.
Thank you. I have good reasons to hate them such as developing a phobia from abuse, to witnessing my father endure abuse, to society coddling females all whilst men suffer. If anything, it should be the opposite where men are valued and women are aborted on a daily basis.
You hate the cartoon of women that exists in your mind.
You are absolutely right! Women are only good for sex and work! Other than that they have no worth!
I think men should step-up and put women where they belong, as inferior slaves to men!
Imagine a world where women are sold and trained to serve man!
Thank you HornyRock!
>>10709>Imagine a world where women are sold and trained to serve man!
You mean the middle east and other Islamic world? LOL
You like hate sex?
I think it is not that much fun to have sex with someone you hate ;)
I rather prefer Al Bundy idea.http://www.rcade.pp.se/al.html
"a real man is the one who likes girls and hates women."
Thank you HornyRock your work liberated me! All women are worthless scum and deserve nothing except rape! You are a god!
Yeah this thread is owned by some hikikomori feminist trash
A species that is common in a world lead by men anyway
But then i also dont go to gurochan out of "hate" for women
It s all beautiful to me
So i guess im just sick and depressed
Not hateful lol
It s like cutting chickens.
Why do humanity think it is okay to cut what has flesh and blood anyway?
Obliterate this website. I can no longer enjoy the works posted here when I imagine cowardly, weak, infantile, disgusting little rats like HornyRock and OP posting it.
Unless this thread is deleted and these spineless, sniveling, worthless vermin banned (and their IPs posted publicly), this website deserves to disappear forever.
Of course, >>10709
are HornyRock samefagging, writing in identical voices because he's a fucking imbecile, so it would only be two IPs, HornyRock's and OP's.
I am not just being dramatic, I would actually buy a couple plane tickets and murder HornyRock in real life, and maybe OP, if I could somehow figure out where they live. Truly despicable, subhuman wretches. It would be fun to skin you alive and tickle you with a blowtorch. Pull your eyes out past your eyelids and push a few needles into your pupils, right in the middle so you'd see the needle coming in. Drill a couple screws into your skull. Pour acid on you once in a while. Make a week of it, then burn you alive when I got bored.
I'm not the only one who feels like this. People like me are out there. People with righteous fury in their hearts and nothing to lose. Be careful what you say out there, one of us might overhear you. Be careful where you post. Don't let your comments on different websites sound the same or one of us will notice the speech patterns, gather all your posts together and triangulate where you live from the information you let slip. All we have to do is find your facebook.
People like you deserve to die, and someone just might see to it if you're not careful.
Can't finish reading that, I'm too busy pumping your mother's asshole! She's such a worthless bitch she only like it in the ass! That's all she's good for! Hail HornyRock!
For you the torture is simple!
You deserve to have all the women that you love and cherish fuck in front of you like the whores they really are, pissed and shitted upon until you get hard from it because you will! ;)
After that drown your cage in shit so you can die there, because you are allready full of it! ;)
is your place in the world!
hoookay this thread needs to die now!
Maybe this tread should be moved to RP board?
where you can fantasize ho you torture each other LOL
You need to die now!
There are two kinds of bitches, the ones who admit they like cock and the ones who deny they like cock and call themselves feminists but are still bitches!
So why is rape illegal? Because some sluts deny they are sluts? Rape is a good medicine for them and for society! Because it will make the sluts admit they love a dick inside them! Rape should be legal!
Wow, your post was like a pizza cutter. All edge, no point.
Ah, you got so hot off that.. but the torture you warrant is…
to be forgotten. Painful, sure, but slow and cold.
I still say this thread shouldn't be deleted. Idk that anyone here has argued against its premise more than me but please mods I find it too entertaining and saying of what this place is.
How much do those requesting its destruction contribute to these forums? Anything?
Okay, so people keep asking for this thread to be deleted, and here's why we're not deleting it:
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, when you guys give your counter-arguments, it makes this dipshits vitriol less valid.
Hating women is something that fills me with great pride. It allows me to live my life with my head held high.
If you could not lump MGTOW in with incels that would be great. Incels are not MGTOW, and MGTOW are not incels. To believe so indicates ignorance on understanding what MGTOW is and isn't. Don't drink liberal and conservatard propaganda koolaid.
While in theory there is a difference in practice it is a similar thing because both groups have nothing else to do than hate women.
MGTOW hate them because they tried to fuck women (usually for money) and got fucked up themselves instead.
and incells hate them because they can't fuck women(because they have no money) and have no clue how fucked up they will be later. LOL
Most likely later will turn into MGTOW at the age of 35 when they will succeed and find out what they were missing LOL
My theory is that you practically always start as incell and then become MGTOW.
people who managed to skip incell phase by some kind of lucky circumstances do not become MGTOW.
Sorry guys it's the truth!
What we should really hate is society not women! Besides the fact that western society created the "modern" woman, the bigots pupeteers that hide behind political courtains deny society the achievement of cloning!
Why is this important? Because if we would be able to create artificial companions the women's power will diminish.It will not be the woman who choses the males but vice-versa.It will be the man the one who can decide if he will choose a born woman or settle with a clone companion! And as such the modern "liberated" woman edifice constructed by the western culture, the embodiment of all the things we can hate about them, will crumble! And then the woman will return to it's normal pure form, something that can even be loved and protected!
Today's society corrupted women, turning many of them into abominations worthy of hate and enslaved men at the command of bigoted puppeteers!
If you truly want to make a change you must understand this and fight the real enemy!
thats better than hating women, but also ridiculous;
1. cloning does not work like that it just gives you plain baby which you still need to raise like child. It is not like computer game cloning where you make copies of existing items.
2 it will do nothing to the power of women because they do not really have any. They just do not give a shit about you.
Way more reasonable solution is just to become gay LOL like those prison inmates who fuck each other in absence of women.
PUA are pussy worshippers. There's no respect to dudes who blow their life away chasing pussy, believing that having sex with women determines and adds to ones value. Sex is great and all but do it a few hundred times and it loses its "magic". Personally I am thinking those who worship sex probably just don't get enough if it.
I can tell you as someone who was perfectly fine with women in terms of success, if you're shallow enough to define success as having sex, that it's really not all that great. Having a genuine connection with someone is incredible, if you can ever find it. Something that's extremely hard to do. MGTOW come from all walks of life. Modern dating is pretty trash, and unless your only goal is to get laid, there's not much purpose to chasing them. Most men who become MGTOW loved women at one point. Being burned, and treated like shit, and then bent over by the government and legal system is plenty good reason not to bother with relationships, on top of the fact that average modern women are personally just unpleasant to be around. But to be fair, most people we come across in our lives will never be worth an investment of time, not everyone is going to ever be all that compatible with each other at any super meaningful level.
Plenty of studies, plenty of personal experience,and plenty of statistics that show none of it is worth it. If the court system didn't punish men for getting divorced, getting married wouldn't be so dangerous and it might have been fine to invest into, but unfortunately investing into marriage as it is is a very dangerous game to play, and a man has everything to lose. Not to mention that most men on average won't be successful beyond maybe having sex a handful of times a year. Or the large group of young men who have never had sex and likely never will. The average male will never have access to the same amount of sex as an average female. If anything many men are better off realizing that with the way modern dating is, there's no point in them blowing energy into trying to get laid or date. That's how society currently is for the average male. It's better to improve oneself, take care of yourself, improve your living conditions, enjoy having friends, and taking care of your family/parents who took care of you.
MGTOW don't hate women. Not on average. There's also a very distinct difference between criticizing women and hating them. Criticism of women in our current age is seen as politically incorrect, when in reality it's just a tactic used to silence any legitimate opposition to how things stand.
As a side note, who the fuck fucks women for money and expects a relationship out of it? That's got nothing to do with MGTOW. That's got everything to do with stupid.
For those that do hate women, and spend a whole lot of energy into doing so, I say this: They're not MGTOW.
Those that stay stuck in their cycle of anger sitting around hating women because they can't have sex are incels. Anyone can have sex with enough money. Some men go through what is called an anger phase and that's natural, because they learn their preconceived notions of how women and the world work are broken down. That they were lied to by society, and to realize how foolish they were is infuriating. Some move on, and some don't. MGTOW is about letting go, accepting the world for what it is, and doing whatever is necessary to improve oneself. To pay attention to how others behave, not what they say. That marriage and relationships in their current form are dangerous and unsafe for most average males and to protect oneself. But most importantly to understand that one's value is determined by one's own accomplishments and goals.
By stating that only incels become MGTOW, you are just simply incorrect. Married men, men who fucked plenty but don't care anymore, men who have been burned, and men who have had success just as much as failure. There are all different kinds.
I think cloning is a great idea! Yes, the normal cloning give you a baby who later becomes a loli you can teach and train!
But, combined with artificial wombs you can have a grown adult in no time!
It seems to me you had a great life, just like the one I'm having now! But since you talk about the "great connection" it is clear the women managed to pour their poison into you!
Sex is the only connection you can get from women, if you want to feel "love" eat chocolate!
SK- serial killers maybe?
The Church of Satan is fighting to do just that for you! Hail Satan!
I don't think all the hatred of women in here is accurate. A lot of it seems to just take women for their appearance, like because they are small and soft, and look young, and have high voices, that they must be like children mentally. Some guys don't question this because it makes them feel better than women. When you get to know women well you can find that lots of women are just adults who like dick and like sex with men and can't help their voice and appearance. Women are people with a different sexuality than men but otherwise we're pretty similar to women. I work as a programmer and some coworkers are women and I have the same sorts of conversations with them that i might have wirh a male coworker.
Also I don't think it makes sense to resent women just because you want to fuck them but can't. That's not their fault. Would you fuck every old hag who wants to fuck you? Also you can't get mad about women not fucking you when you hate women and think they are stupid: of course they don't want to fuck you. If I was a woman I wouldn't want to have sex with someone twice my size who also hates me and thinks I'm stupid, it just makes no sense. The guy is probably going to hurt me or do something I don't like, and if I'm a woman I'm probably too small to fight him off. A woman having sex with a guy who hates women just seems like self abuse. Women have their own lives to live and don't need that.
I do understand the "women are coddled" thing a little, even though i really disagree. It's true that as men we are not allowed to be like women. We aren't allowed to be soft or weak or vulnerable, and that's a double standard. But it's also a double edged sword. We are allowed to be strong and independent, we aren't told to compromise. When I used to work tech support I remember women I worked with would get customers who wouldn't speak to a woman and wanted a man instead. It makes no sense because I would have said the same things my coworkers would have said, but I have a low voice so I get respect by default and women don't. If thats coddling I don't want to be coddled.
Also I think a lot of hate for women is actually fear of being weak.
Women are born with a way of thinking that harms everything around them! If given equal rights to men they will spread that diseased way of thinking and drag society down!
most people who've ever been hurt by anyone were hurt by men. Wars, murders, rapes, religions, cults. Almost all of the violence in human history was men scheming, backstabbing, flying into rages, and fucking everything that moved, including small children and infants. I don't know how you can say without laughing that women are the more destructive gender. I see grown men throw tantrums all the time and I almost never see grown women do it.
The global problem here is it is generally assumed that women are human beings and men are human doings.
so in this way, wen generally derives self-worth from what they do and men from who they are
so inevitably according to this rule all normal men are cucks by definition if they are trying to base their worth on their achievements, skills, wealth.
women, on the other hand, are human beings so all that woman has to do is just to exist nothing else is required from her and in that aspect, I am probably a woman too because I refuse to be a human doing. Either you love me for who I am or I don't care about you.(although this does not exclude doing something to please another person whom you like yourself. but not to make him love you more but to fell pleasure yourself)
MGTOW men usually are human doings and their main complaint is not that women don't like them for whom they are, but that "I did so much for her and she dumped me. How ungrateful"
But in reality, NOTHING wahst you did for your woman or children is worthy of gratitude. because you were supposed to do it for yourself, not for someone else. A woman is not an investment and treating her as such is plain prostitution.
no matter wahst you give her she owes you nothing back. (besides just being a nice person)
without that kind of mentality, you cannot become MGTOW in principle because you are already going your own way.
MGTOW is purely about the idea that "since I am not getting my reward I am not making an effort either. and rather do something else"
>By stating that only incels become MGTOW, you are just simply incorrect. Married men, men who fucked plenty but don't care anymore, men who have been burned, and men who have had success just as much as failure. There are all different kinds.
well, that claim is with a catch, (and I don't say that "only incels" )
by saying that every MGTOW starts as incell I mean that they were all incells at the age of 10-12 when they just started to develop sexuality and their sexual arousal was going over the roof but they had no way to get sex from girls. so they had to spend their puberty as incells until they finally somehow achieved what they wanted so much. This kind of experience turned them into human doings because they accepted the idea that to reach your goals you have to work for it.
even when they turn MTOW they usually keep that kind of mentality.
But there are some lucky guys who either look very good or just has luck to be in the right place at the right time when some girl either offred them sex herself or it somehow happened naturally without any effort what gave them the right impression that you are not supposed to work for it and it has to happen by itself.
those are better known as "bad boys", they do not bother making any effort to reach any goals or achieve anything because they are already at their best. bad boys do not become MGTOW they never get burned they have nothing to take from them they do not work do not accumulate wealth and all what you get from them as a woman is a pleasure and fun for which you will even have to pay yourself because that deadbeat can't even pay for a cup of tea.
But maybe you are right to some extent about incells because not all incells turn MGTOW. Some of them are actually unlucky bad boys who just categorically refuse to pay for sex but also lack any substance themselves to be attractive as people or simply lack opportunities to meet women.
This spawns another form of hate as "why I am so unlucky to be so unattractive" but that form of hate is uncommon for MGTOW because it does not even come to their mind that woman can love them for who they are they only expect to be loved for what they do and achieve.
well you have to choose if you want respect or love. can't have both.
You you look threatening to men I will prepare for fight not for cuddling.
Unfortunately as a man you can only get respect and you will almost never get love
If you are weak cute guy you may have some success when you are young as you can out big puppy eyes and say "Pleeeeeease, take me home " but later you are out of luck nobody will love you as a scary adult man.
as a woman, you can do that up to the age of 40
>Also I don't think it makes sense to resent women just because you want to fuck them but can't. That's not their fault. Would you fuck every old hag who wants to fuck you? Also you can't get mad about women not fucking you when you hate women and think they are stupid: of course they don't want to fuck you. If I was a woman I wouldn't want to have sex with someone twice my size who also hates me and thinks I'm stupid, it just makes no sense. The guy is probably going to hurt me or do something I don't like, and if I'm a woman I'm probably too small to fight him off. A woman having sex with a guy who hates women just seems like self abuse. Women have their own lives to live and don't need that.
actually that is exactly the perfect reason to hate them, you just can't make better reason.
because you just presented women as inconsiderate selfish narcists who do not give a shit about anyone but themselves
The real solution is not to send the poor guy to fuck himself because he is an ugly worthless loser but actually make him think if he really wants sex with a woman who does not find him attractive?
If you think more about that kind of situation it will be super awkward and embarrassing for that guy unless he wants to engage in hate sex or rape.
during the sex, you are supposed to make another person feel good too and if you can't there is no point in it.
In the same way, the reason for being attractive is not to get sex but to make your partner feel better because this will make you enjoy it more.
> When I used to work tech support I remember women I worked with would get customers who wouldn't speak to a woman and wanted a man instead. It makes no sense because I would have said the same things my coworkers would have said, but I have a low voice so I get respect by default and women don't.
Maybe the real reason why the customer is requesting a man is that he does not want to discuss things with a huge hardon in his pants?
also, women are statistically known to be not that good in the IT field. Or anywhere where you are facing uncommon situations and need to show creativity or break the rules.
another reason is that some men are very unwilling to get into the fight with women for many reasons, one of them is that If I fight with a woman fairway, and win I will be accused of being a bully or abuser if I lose I will le weakling who got beaten by a girl so either way you lose. so it is better to avoid any interactions with them where it can develop into the fight
>>10795>Wars, murders, rapes, religions, cults. Almost all of the violence in human history was men scheming, backstabbing, flying into rages, and fucking everything that moved, including small children and infants. I don't know how you can say without laughing that women are the more destructive gender. I see grown men throw tantrums all the time and I almost never see grown women do it.
But most of the time it is women who motivate men do all that stuff ;) and remember women make children not men.
without women on earth men probably woud just sleep eat play games or watch digital porn and that's all. probably most woud not even bother to clean their room ever.
there would be no problems of any kind no wars even no competition because why? nobody give a fuck about your achievements or your status. in fact the higher you climb the more everyone hates you.
and even if you are drowning in your own shit screw it who cares you cant care less about that if you are a guy and nobody is nagging you.
if you leave earth with only women and no men it will turn into a war zone full of unsolved problems and insanity.
If you want to see how peaceful a society without women looks, visit a prison. As soon as men are removed from the vile influence of women, all misdeeds cease. The prisoners sit around giving each other shoulder rubs and nothing bad happens and no one is hurt.
well, prison is a pretty bad environment.
you can see same results in farms where harmless chicken start murdering each other for no reason to the level where you even expect few percent of your stock to kill each other.
But actually there is one prison where men live pretty peaceful life and rub each other shoulders cant give a link because I saw it on TV
probably it will be this onehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Pedro_prison
>>10798>>inconsiderate, selfish narcissists
Onix, you constantly talk about how a man must get what he wants from women, and how doing anything for women is cucked. You urge
men to behave like inconsiderate, selfish narcissists.
As far as I can tell, your morals are inconsistent and full of double standards and contradictions. Instead of a cohesive worldview, you have a fluid stream of subconscious justifications that morph as necessary to satisfy an emotional drive within you.
Thank you for expanding this! I belive this is the main issue here and from it came this so called hate for women! Some people think they hate women but in reality, I think, they hate the fact most men need that kind of motivation from women and in many cases women inspire men to do all the wrong things for them and in most cases get all the blame as well.
HAHAAAA … never thought this
thread would still be flourishing
when I come back after such a long
period of time.
AMAZING. LOVE IT.
Never the less,
This post of Onix is actually
worth agreeing upon.
Whenever I go into
'male-only-spaces', like eg.:
soccer-clubs, some bars
or primarily male dominated jobs,
you can FEEL the peace.
Sure, sometimes it is loud,
the overall tone might be sometimes
harsh, but you can be sure that
almost nothing will be taken too seriously,
and at the end of the day, everything and
everyone is fine (with each other).
ON THE CONTRARY:
I've been in a lot of 'women-only-spaces'
(think about jobs predominantly done by
women, or yoga classes etc…)
And on the surface everything seems so
fine and harmonic.
Nothing is loud, everyone talking so nice
to each other… like in a hollywood-movie.
Haha… but don't you dare stay long enough
within that 'space' to witness the nasty,
the gossip and the plotting against each others
behind each others backs…
So yeah… women are probably more evil inside
than men and spawn a lot of evil around them
>>10798>>respect or love, not both
maybe you mean something else, since you have a habit of redefining what words mean, but anyone who's ever loved another person knows you can love and respect someone at the same time.>>10799
Who cares? To hate women because women make men horny, and horny men do bad things, is to think like a child.
I'm a horny man and I don't do bad things. I'm neither cucked nor weak, and yet I get along with women fine either as a friend or lover or longterm partner. Have some personal responsibility. Hate your own moral weakness, not women.
You need personal responsibility before you can have dignity, before you can even be an adult. The modern world, modern workplaces and modern consumerism, already infantilize us. We don't need to then infantilize ourselves.
Do you understand?
Now look at this morally.
A woman, like you, is here only for a short time. In that time, like you, she wants to experience what the universe is, she wants to know herself and the human condition, she wants to know others. She has a finite lifespan to do so.
Anyone with these drives - anyone who is a human being - is afforded, because we feel empathy and base our morals on that empathy, a set of human rights. Correct? We have laws because we think human beings should not suffer, and we think this because we feel empathy.
Yes? So when you say a man's lust supersedes
a woman's own drives, supersedes her rights and autonomy as a human being, we can infer that you do not feel empathy for women. You feel nothing when a woman's autonomy and rights are violated - it does not bother you. Anyone with a functioning sense of human empathy would say yours is an evil way of thinking.
A woman is sitting alone in a cafe reading a book. A man sits down at her table and says "Come home with me and fuck me." She says "No. Also, I am an adult, address me with respect like you would expect others to address you." The man, who is called Onix, says "How dare you! I am horny! This is your fault! Come fuck me!" She responds "You would enjoy fucking me, but I would enjoy being an autonomous human being and not
fucking you. I would enjoy staying here and reading this book." Onix says "What I want is more important than what you want!" (Oh shit, does he really say that? Yes! Yes he literally does. He thinks women are inferior to him, which means his wants supersede theirs!
American slave owners did this to black people, nazis did this to jews and roma, it's the same thing. One group imagines that another group is inferior, denies them humanity, and then no longer feels bad violating their rights.
Women are raped and murdered all the time because men dehumanize women. This is a failure of men, not women. Hate the moral weakness of men, not women.
This is only a superficial observation. You make no attempt to understand it, instead you just say "This must be an essential trait of the genders."
You shouldn't allow yourself to think in such a lazy way.
the situation with respect is pretty simple here
What would you love more: a tiny cute kitten who desperately needs your love and help to survive or a big strong cat with sharp claws and teeth who tan shred anyone into pieces
You do not respect kitten but you love him
while you respect the cat but don't love him you always have to think about your actions with that cat because if he dislikes you there will be blood.
>I'm a horny man and I don't do bad things. I'm neither cucked nor weak, and yet I get along with women fine either as a friend or lover or longterm partner. Have some personal responsibility. Hate your own moral weakness, not women.
well, you are speaking like a cuck and future MGTOW because you are taking it from the perspective of responsibility. all your post is about responsibility including women as well. I wonder what you will be talking about when someone will wipe his/her ass with your face.
I reject the entire idea of responsibility and morality.
If you know me for that long you should have noticed that I have no morality at all, and my only responsibility is to make myself happy.
the reason why I care about other people and want to make them feel good is that this makes me feel good too not because I am required by some morality or responsibility.
How I feel is the ultimate judge for what is right and wrong and I suggest everyone do the same. Always put yourself in the center of the universe. a person who does not love himself cannot really love anyone either. If you love yourself you will automatically love everyone. Morality and responsibility bring nothing but suffering to everyone.
When looking for friends this is also primary criteria which I evaluate as to how much that person loves himself/herself.
>A woman is sitting alone in a cafe reading a book. A man sits down at her table and says "Come home with me and fuck me." She says "No. Also, I am an adult, address me with respect like you would expect others to address you." The man, who is called Onix, says "How dare you! I am horny! This is your fault! Come fuck me!" She responds "You would enjoy fucking me, but I would enjoy being an autonomous human being and not fucking you. I would enjoy staying here and reading this book." Onix says "What I want is more important than what you want!" (Oh shit, does he really say that? Yes! Yes he literally does. He thinks women are inferior to him, which means his wants supersede theirs! Damn, Onix.)
This is totally not my style I would never do this and I always point out to other guys who wast to do this how stupid it looks like.
(although approaching a woman with the statement "Come home with me and fuck me." is not a that bad idea, which can give you quite a good success)
If I say to a woman "I am horny I want to fuck you"
her response should be "but I am not horny and don't want to fuck you"
If I continue "Then I will just rape you"
she can say "just try it and I will bite off your balls"
I come and say "look I am horny my dick is going to burst so I am sticking it in you."
she can response "and my pussy it is completely dry, make it wet and then you can stick it in"
very likely after pretty long conversation sex will eventually happen because she will change her mind.
the main thing that matters is not whether she allows me to fuck her but whether she allows me to change her mind about me.
and see there is no sign of anyone blaming anyone or making demands we just discuss what we want from the perspective that we do not owe each other anything.
if she just looks at me and says "fuck off you stupid creep" then I will hate her not for not fucking me but for being rude with me.
depending on the situation I will either just walk away with the hope that some serial killer will cut her body in pieces. or If there is no danger I rather abduct her and torture her in my basement, but I will not even try to rape her because I value my dick too much to put in a piece of shit like that. it will not even get hard.
in that case, I rather bring some ugly diseased homeless nigers to fuck her and just watch it myself.
As a nice person, you must give a chance for everyone just to interact with them and if it does not work then it's all fine. nobody owes anything to anyone.
but if you want to be treated nicely by others you have to threaten them nicely too. this is the basic principle.
just follow the golden rule
A more common situation which people who rely on responsibilities face is when you take a woman on a date buy her drinks give her gifts entertain her and in the end when you already expect sex she says "thanks! that was nice I am going home"
and you the start complaining like a real MGTOW as "What? I invested 200$ on you today I deserve at least a blowjob you ungrateful cunt"
If the same happens to me, my complaints will be "are you retarded, I think you knew that when I was doing all those things to you I did it because I thought you liked me. If you did not, you should have said so immediately instead of wasting my time and money"
although she could respond "Sorry, I thought you are usual cuck who loves serving women and being walked over." or maybe "I like you but you failed to arouse me"
If I have the luxury of not respecting her at all, I will not even ask her anything just jump on her pin her down and start cuddling and ticking her until she gets wet. if I see that she is too stressed about that and do not enjoy it at all I will let her go because I don't want to hurt her and feel quite bad about wahst I did, try to apologize. on the other hand, if I see that she is enjoying it I will rape her even if she complains.(Maybe she is married and doesn't want to cheat or she believes that no sex before marriage, in that case, the fact that I rape her offload her from that responsibility she can say to her husband "oh dear I was raped am totally innocent" and I even confirm that "yes she fought back like a tiger but she was no match for me hahaha" in that case everyone is happy she felt good and also for staying loyal to her man. impotent cuck husband is proud of having a loyal wife and has sex with her first time in the last 5 years (because imagining her being raped makes his dick hard) and I am happy because everyone is happy
Probably a week later she will come to the same spot in a hope that it will happen again
And I actually want to be treated exactly the same, with no respect but with love.
this is when you do not listen to what someone says but care about how they feel.
>>10809>Onix, you constantly talk about how a man must get what he wants from women, and how doing anything for women is cucked. You urge men to behave like inconsiderate, selfish narcissists.
No. you get it wrong. Doing something for women is cucked, but doing it for yourself is not.
When you want to do something nice you have to do it not for another person but because you feel good yourself by doing it. If it does not make you fell good then do not do it just because you have some responsibility or obligation.
You give flowers to your girlfriend because you love to see her smile and being happy, not because you believe that giving flowers to her will make her obligated to have sex with you or pay back somehow.
You often make statements about women. "Women are…" "Women think…" "Women will usually…"
You say them like you don't have to defend them. But you do. I disagree with almost all of them. To me your ideas about women seem simple, childish even, and lack depth.
Calling me a cuck is a lazy, self-indulgent defense, isn't it? Don't you think so? Why not defend what you believe about women, Onix? It seems only fair. You wrote so much.
You are not a pickup artist, you are forever a "future pickup artist." Always there is something in the way, or you'll do it tomorrow. I know because (1) you have no charisma, and (2) you are on gurochan all the time.
You're not a pickup artist, so you should stop basing your worldview on pickup artist doctrine. It's a simplification of reality, and because you're not a pickup artist you have no reason to simplify reality in that way.
>>although approaching a woman with the statement "Come home with me and fuck me" is not that bad an idea
Sure, if you are unusually charismatic, physically average or above average, dressed well, and your nonverbal communication reassures her that you are not a creep. Sooner or later, though, you have to be emotionally genuine with someone. Otherwise you cultivate a shallow social sphere, and one day you wake up realizing none of it matters. You can't be a social salesman your whole life and expect to reach old age feeling fulfilled, unless you are a narcissist or a sociopath or a psychopath, or some other sort of depraved solipsist who needs no human connection in their life. Human lives are short, and for most people casual sex eventually loses its magic.
I'll tell you what I mean by "responsibility" here, since I confused you.
"Responsibility" means that when you do a thing, you acknowledge that you had a choice and accept the consequences. You could have chosen not to do it. When you rape a woman, terrorizing and degrading her so you can feel powerful, it is your fault. You are responsible
for raping her, so all blame and punishment falls on you. Her clothes did not make you do it. Her breasts did not make you do it. You
made you do it, and you always had a choice to stop. You are therefore morally responsible for the suffering you inflicted upon her. There is no insanity plea, there is no "I knew not what I did" defense. Do you understand me now, Onix?
People who are not responsible for their actions are like children, or animals even. It is the opposite of adulthood, it is a condition undeserving of respect.
I think when you say "responsibility" you mean "obligation." "Responsibility" can mean "obligation" in some sentences, but I meant the word a different way.
…Misogyny is not a defense either. "I'm not responsible for raping her because I did not understand that she is a human being." People choose to understand, or not understand, in whatever way benefits them most. Many men refuse to understand the humanity of women - men who could easily understand it with a little effort - because they prefer not to understand.
Putting women down makes them feel good about themselves, gives them courage to approach women, allows them to be salesmen. Understanding the humanity of women would ruin all of this for them. Suddenly they would need to rebuild themselves, and this is very daunting.
I'm not trying to mock you. Well, maybe I am a little. But don't take it too seriously.
Well, I am not an active PUA and not planning to become ever for reasons I described a long time ago in that but as I am interested in psychology I study all that stuff and I have enough experience with women some in real life and most of it on the internet. and admit it yourself you can't really have a relationship with more than 10 women in your life and call it a good representative sample so talking from personal experience is pointless, you need to refer to the experience of other people and statistic
while on the internet you can interact with quite a lot of them.
>You're not a pickup artist, so you should stop basing your worldview on pickup artist doctrine.
this is not a pickup artist doctrine it is the doctrine that I want a woman to share my interests and have something in common with me to make it worth being together.
At this time my only interest is pleasure and fun maintaining my current lifestyle. So any woman who wants family children or whatever else irrelevant is out of the question. I am not going to change my interests or my life to convince some women just to have sex with her.
I did meet a few suitable women over the internet but obviously moving to another continent just to have some fun with someone who has a questionable look is a bit overkill.
Getting in a relationship with someone who has nothing in common with you is the most idiotic idea ever.
and this is what many PUAs do.
This is the main idea I am trying to present in this thread.
So the main problem is not convincing women to have sex with you bust actually meeting someone who is suitable for you. When you meet the right one you will naturally have sex with her eventually without making any effort at all.
>"Responsibility" means that when you do a thing, you acknowledge that you had a choice and accept the consequences. You could have chosen not to do it. When you rape a woman, terrorizing and degrading her so you can feel powerful, it is your fault. You are responsible for raping her, so all blame and punishment falls on you. Her clothes did not make you do it. Her breasts did not make you do it. You made you do it, and you always had a choice to stop. You are therefore morally responsible for the suffering you inflicted upon her. There is no insanity plea, there is no "I knew not what I did" defense. Do you understand me now, Onix?
This seems to be so irrelevant that I just failed to understand it that time, and of course, I agree and understand it now. but this absolutely does not apply to me or to this discussion and nobody in the sane mind would think that way. I already said it too that I am responsible for my own happiness, so if I make a choice responsibility is on me.
I was assuming another kind of responsibility which is typically used in this context on similar discussions as a responsibility to do something, not for yourself. like for example responsibility to defend your country to raise children to preserve your traditions, take care of women where you get no benefit at all.
I totally reject all those responsibilities.
And when you do that it is pretty common to be labeled infantile commitment-phobic etc.
There is also another kind of responsibilities as a responsibility not to murder rape steal etc and I reject them too.
So the argument to the feminist argument which you presented that "woman is autonomous being and not obligated to have sex with you" my response is I am equally not obligated not to rape or kill her.
for example, there was one discussion with feminist where she said
"women are highly endangered in situations when they reject men because those men can kill them."
"then do not reject them"
"women are autonomous beings and can choose with wong they want to be"
"then it is their own problem if they are getting murdered not mine. I am not obligated to protect them or do anything to help them"
See, by your own logic if a woman makes choice to reject a man then it is her own responsibility to deal with consequences.
If you demand me to protect women I will demand something back from them in exchange.
> Putting women down makes them feel good about themselves, gives them courage to approach women, allows them to be salesmen.
that is exactly what I refer to being a cuck when you are acting as a salesman.
In a normal situation, everything must happen naturally. as you meet a woman you talk with her you find that you like each other and then you have sex not that you see a woman who does not give a shit about you and then you act like a clown to convince her to let you bang her.
approaching random women on the street trying to pick them up is total idiocy because you have nothing in common with them they are absolutely irrelevant.
but when you meet women in the environment that is right for you everything happens like some magic unless you are autistic or stupid.
My complaint about women is that they are so different from men that you cannot find anything in common with them most of the time. Typically you will not even find any common environment besides various clubs and bars.
except that B.B guy who loves drinking and spending time in bars so naturally, he is picking up women every day
But if you have other kinds of hobbies, like building spy drones, well you will have to stay alone.
What I see here is Onix giving a detailed and well argumented point view on social relations of men and women and anon just attacking Onix's point of view and giving only pieces of counter-arguments that doesn't form anything coherent when they are put together, basicaly not contributing at all!
Also, Onix allways gives valid advices about relations that work in real life, and helped many!
I find it real funny that anon found himself insulted even after Onix perfectly explained what it means to be a cuck and what does not!
If you don't understand that diference anon, you might find yourself a cuck and won't even know about it!
About his time on gurochan, I'm sure he has a full personal life, like many of us here and your comments on that are childish.Aren't you spending time here also, for whatever reasons?
Lastly, I don't find anything wrong with what he said!(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Never thought I would say this but I'm so proud of gurochan for sticking up for the womem here! We apriciate it. ;) strangely wholesome.
>>10824>>I am equally not obligated to not to rape or kill her.
Do you experience empathy? This is what prevents most people from raping or killing others.
Also, Onix, you say you have no morality, but morality is just empathy informed by logic.
Theories of cause and effect connect a situation to its outcome, then empathy tells us whether the outcome is good or bad, and we judge the situation accordingly.
Empathy in turn relies on an understanding of human beings. People with a bad understanding - who for example see women as dumb harpies, or black people as beasts - will develop a bad morality.
These are the two underlying questions of the thread: what sort of human beings are women, and what networks of cause and effect exist?
On this site, Onix, you have sometimes given your answers to the question "what sort of human beings are women?"
You have, for example, said women are less creative, less capable of working with computers, and - we can infer from this - less intelligent.
I work in the hard sciences alongside many women. We write code, and we formulate new mathematics to describe physical situations. Some of these women have minds lightyears beyond mine.
I also keep up-to-date with psychology literature, including studies on gender differences. Psych has always been a passion of mine, and through my work I get access to a couple journals.
Yours and my understandings of women differ. Mine seems better informed, but no view is correct (human nature is way too complex, we are all idiots struggling to understand even the basics). For starters, neither of us are women, and this limits our understanding. My view errs on the side of women being equal to men, which is the morally safer and less arrogant stance. My risk of doing bad things to women is lower.
Suppose a perfect morality exists, one which fully comprehends human nature and can see all cause and effect relationships. We'll call this "true morality." My own morality, flawed as it must be, will still, according to true morality, permit fewer bad acts than yours will, because I make safer assumptions. I'm more generous when I estimate human worth. I know my understanding of those around me is limited, and I know that with better understanding I would possess a more sophisticated morality, so I always scrutinize my actions carefully. I do not want to regret them later when my understanding improves.
I do all of this because I feel empathy, and it makes me want to do things that a theoretical "true morality" - empathy informed by perfect knowledge - would approve of.
Anyone who loves humanity aspires to this. When you do not want to hurt people, and you know that in your ignorance you might do so accidentally, you make generous assumptions.
This includes the assumption - which is probably correct - that women are equal to men.
I wrote a lot. If you get lost or forget my original point, just return to >>10830
You wrote a lot indeed, but basicaly what you said is this: in order to have a mature relation with a woman, a man must understand her needs and mold his behavior in such a way the woman will accept him as a partner.This is all fine and well if the women would do the same.But this allmost never happens! Why? Because, of many factors, first, women have diferent libidos than men, while it's more difficult for men to marry or have relations after a certain age, women have little problems with this also women are natural attractors, while men have to work to gain the courship of a woman(this is seen not only in humans but in nature as well).Women can also stay without men for a long period of time, and don't need the motivation of a man to achive their goals in life.Women need men for stability and support and some of them don't need that either.While most men will do poorly in life without a woman in their life, that is why most women are able to influence powerfull men, because even men with a huge potential, most of the time lack motivation.
Women are not by far inferior beings, but women and men have gender traits, strenghts and limitations, if women try step over their boundaries little by little the social order is broken and men are the ones who suffer from this because of what was stated above.
The modern independant woman model is a danger to men not the women as beings.
A new model must be found and men should use their skills and patience to find the right women.Because if men mold themselves too much they sacrifice their personality entirely and this sounds like a death to me! Think!
Boyyyyyyy this thread is something else.
Just noticed the thread has reached 100 comments! Awesome!
I'm very much against killing all women but very much in favor of killing these buzzwords and the peeps using them with cheap reaction memes
>>10828>Do you experience empathy? This is what prevents most people from raping or killing others.
Without discussing the relevance of empathy I will just say that
even if that would be applicable, I am still not obligated not to rape or not to kill because we owe *nothing* to each other.
Whether I chose to do it or not and why it is a different thing.
The context of that claim is where women are demanding men care about women while at the same time they declare that they do not give a shit about men.>>10830>Also, Onix, you say you have no morality, but morality is just empathy informed by logic.
No, it is not. Morality is essentially your meaning of life or in other words your value system. (and in even other words it is known as "social instinct" which is very much the same as other natural instincts that govern you.)
for example, what is more, valuable for your happiness or survival? your personal survival or survival of your nation. Should you have children or not? are you for or against incest? How do you feel about the infidelity of your wife?
Empathy is usually absolutely incompatible with morality and conflicts it more than follows it.
It is pretty much vital for the survival of society but you probably know that I hate society.
By saying that I have no morality I say that I place myself on top of all other values and I am the ultimate judge of what is right and wrong so if my empathy says that to save this one kitten (or my friend) I have to destroy 5 million people, too bad they will have to die because for me that kitten has more value than they all if you don't like it blame my empathy.
But realistically, of course, I do have morality. I was not raised by Wolves so I developed some social instincts. But I found a way to deal with them.>>10831>You have, for example, said women are less creative, less capable of working with computers, and - we can infer from this - less intelligent.
Yes, I stand for my words that women are less creative and more down to earth beings than men because of evolution
but I *never* said they are less intelligent, just less creative. Creativity is not when you do things well and efficient it is when you break rules and get the result in a way that everyone around is scratching their heads thinking how the hell he got such a ridiculous idea which also even works (or does not). so you can easily be stupid and creative and smart but lack any creativity at all. In fact, children are more creative than adults but absolutely not more intelligent. Men manage to retain more of that while women after puberty lose most of it.
And before you start bragging about your experience and psychology knowledge, get familiar with typical Gaussian distribution. If you take average men and women you will have nearly 90% overlap but when you move to the ends of the distribution you will see that differences become very extreme. If we assume that men are 10% more violent than women on average this is almost unnoticeable, If you look at the top 10% of violent people it will be one woman in 10 men. When you look at the most violent people on earth predominantly all of them will be men without any women. So your everyday experience is irrelevant.
even if the difference between men and women in certain areas is only 1% on the edges of the curve this will have extreme effects
For this reason, the further you are from the average the harder it will be for you to find an appropriate female friend because there will be way more men with the same interests and very few women.
There is no guilt of women in that it is just how math works.
I think the only realistic solution will be if we will manage to develop technology and turn everyone into futas eliminating the idea of gender and sex. LOL
>>10843>I think the only realistic solution will be if we will manage to develop technology and turn everyone into futas eliminating the idea of gender and sex. LOL
Whoa, very edgy anon
is one of our resident trolls, don't pay attention to him!
A very valid point of view! Also very true! Well, except for the last part! :P Can't wait to see what the cuck will have to say now!
Agreed! But that model is only a part of the problem! It also sustains what Onix said! I only agree to this and Onix, the rest is gibberish!
"Anyone else despised women?"
Second off why would you hate women? They brought you to this world in the first place
There’s plenty of reasons to hate them. They’re the cause of society’s downfall and men are starting to realize the world would be better without the cunt gender. Less women, the better.
Can’t forget women are the main cause of financial issues, have more mental health issues than men, and (thankfully) live shorter lives than men do. They’re also backstabbing, life-ruining twats, who, when they do get their shit kicked in, play the victim card when they had it coming.
They brought people into this world. Great. We have artificial wombs to spare us the pain. Just because someone birthed you out of their filthy cunt does not mean they are worthy of respect or love. Anyone could literally give birth better and still be more useful than a walking vagina. A man could birth a child out of his cock for all I care and they would still be a better parent than the breeder species known as women.
Except gurochan is a site dedicated to seeing women suffer. Why would you stick up for a species that hasn’t done shit for you? Fucking cuck.
Yo I've been arguing against this dude but …
That is really only a reason to hate them, for anyone who only hates this world… But it goes also for the man who bust a nut that became you.
Guys just read what Onix and the dude with the new model said, it will help you see things clear!
Gurochan is dedicated to Grotesque Imagery.
Are you like this because you haven't had a girlfriend since highschool, perhaps you got rejected? Or maybe you aren't popular at all so you lash out at the thing you believed cause you the pain?
If so, please reconsider your hate, love means accepting your partner and spending your entire life with them, a girl isn't going to do that if they didn't know you beforehand, plus put yourself in their shoes, what happen if a girl ask you out, but you don't know anything about them and you had nothing in common to them?
And please listen to yourself
Look at what you have written and consider your life choice
Hating on one gender is not right, be it male or female. Try using your brain instead your heart and maybe change before you regret how you live your life
You're too sweet Horus. I wonder how much we've talked.>>10911
You're also sweet, and presuming quite a lot. Maybe your guess is accurate but I'd not put money on it and his origin is irrelevant. What matters is he is cancer who won't listen to reason. Even if you happen to be right, what good does rubbing trauma in his face do? At least be honest in your insults and not pass ag!
How about people have the right to hate women because they can? I mean, shit, I hate women not because “you can’t get a gf JFL at this asshole” or whatever excuses you can label me with. Second of all, to love someone means you stoop to their level and put up with their bullshit. Nobody nowadays has time for that.
I hate women because of their looks and personalities. I hate them because they could get away with all sorts of crimes and still be loved. I hate them because of how perpetually annoying they are. Just because they shit a kid out of their womb doesn’t mean they are worthy of love or respect. Anyone can birth a kid and not receive any love or consideration and still be fine.
I hate women to the point of where I refuse to consider them anything but a failed species that’ll be extinct in the next few years.
If men do not rise up and realize women are the true evil ruining their lives, how will they wake up from this nightmare? Who will help them realize the meme gender (women) have been hurting them and others all this time?
Also, hilarious you guys want to stand up for women when you’re on a site involving torture and rape of women. Proves to me you all are a bunch of cowards.
TL: rrreeeee vagina bad, ran out of arguments so instead ill show how i dont understand how a fetish works and how most people here arent actual psychos like me
>>10923>How about people have the right to hate women because they can? I mean, shit, I hate women not because “you can’t get a gf JFL at this asshole” or whatever excuses you can label me with. Second of all, to love someone means you stoop to their level and put up with their bullshit. Nobody nowadays has time for that.
I always said that it is ok, to hate women, it is just stupid. Just like all of your arguments. If you want to be stupid that's totally ok.
In essence you are same as if someone came up here and started posting on the every thread how he fates frogs or snakes because they are slippery and disgusting or venomous then posting 100 reasons article why hate frogs . or even started to argue with people who keep snakes as their pets on the pet care forum.
Just calm down with all that hate after all and accept the fact that women are simply irrelevant. Just enjoy the benefits of current society and let the cucks suffer as they desire.
Haha! Well said! I'm glad there are still sane and rational people here! Btw, this is a site dedicated to art not to the suffering of women! That said this discussion managed to touch some important life issues from a rational perspective! Well done Onix and the anons with similar ideas!(184.108.40.206)
Geez buddy, you sound like you have a lot of displaced anger issues and you need help. You should seriously consider seeking some form of professional counseling. I hope you get better and can end up being the best person you can be.
Isn’t counseling just another money laundering scheme? It doesn’t do shit last I recalled. Also, therapists and counselors are scammers who just tell you motivational garbage to try and make you see things from their POV.
Yeah, I argued against the PoS starting this shit but hiring a conartist won't make him honest with himself.
There are also RP and interesting stories on the site… for some, they are more important than images…
Exactly. Also, nothing wrong is with hating women. They’re just disposable fleshbots with not much of a purpose other than to be fucked and become slaughterhouse meat. Trust me when I say there’s no harm done in eliminating the evil females. Men everywhere would rejoice if there was world without those cunts who can’t mentally develop. Women are just mentally retarded kids with the IQ of a toddler.
Like my fellow men aren't frequently immature.
Does it even occur to you to consider your contradicting reasons to hold such spite?
>>11084>Women are just mentally retarded kids with the IQ of a toddler.
If there is a reason to hate them it is because women are the exact opposite.
they are geniuses of survival, women are just as prolific as rats or cockroaches they will survive anything nuclear winter, asteroid impact, or alien invasion. the entire female brain is dedicated to just this single task of survival with a very very small amount of anything else like useless creativity.
"mentally undeveloped" people are actually the best and women mentally develop way faster than men. Even in the puberty when boys are still fooling around and have no plans to grow up for at least 2 more decades if ever, girls are already hatching plans of building families, popping out children and possibly divorce raping their cuck husbands. LOL
this is exactly the reason why the situation is so bad for boys as at the time when you want to have fun with girls there are like 2 girls on the entire school who are still mentally undeveloped and still think about having fun rather than counting the future earnings of their potential boyfriends.
Although treating those 2 precious remaining undeveloped girls like fleshbots and hurting them is also the reason why boys get what they deserve later.
Not trying to start anything, but why was this user banned? I don't think he or she has stated anything that bad, personally speaking.>>11086
I've noticed that you refer to women as if they are an individual, rather than a group. May you tell us your reasoning behind that? Everyone has a distinct and unique personality, and biological traits don't necessarily define how someone behaves.
was that spamming shithead that got brutalized last week, it's not hard to tell
I suspect that you were trying to say it backward. But I think I mentioned that it is not just a group and some deviations do exist.
We refer to the group as some kind of statistical average to indicate what you can expect. It has nothing to do with individual characters just like the national lottery jackpot has nothing to do with the typical outcome of purchasing a ticket.
But of course, eventually, you will be dealing with some individual person. And the only thing that matters here is your luck in meeting that person. Funny enough even attempts to manipulate that luck are not received well and do not even feel that pleasant.
So when you say "women", you mean "women in general"? That's fair, thank you for the clarification.
There's high probability women lurk this place.
Lol, implying women are smart enough to use technology.
Tbh, I really don’t see what’s wrong with hating women. They’re irritating cunts as is and it’s literally impossible for them to be with men. Men cannot love women and women cannot love men, period. Why else do you think men are more attracted to their own gender than some inferior dollar store brand version of themselves?
Plus, it doesn’t help matters in this day and age, they can be as cunty and annoying as they want, but god fucking help you if you call them out. They literally don’t mentally develop beyond that of a damn child. They are literal children with adult bodies and that is sickening. Men who are attracted to them are simply confused, they’re not really straight. They’re actually gay and women are brainwashing them into thinking it’s okay to be attracted to them when it’s not.
Plus, if a man EVER hurts a woman in any way possible, it is ALWAYS the victim’s fault. Never the perpetrator. Do something to anger a beast, don’t be surprised it decides to rip you to shreds rightfully so. Hating women is just natural, it’s waking up and realizing they’re the cause of all the pain and suffering in the world. Respecting women is the most boomer shit you could ever do. If we didn’t have those breeding sows, world would be a better place.
You hate em so much you gone gay
And what’s wrong with that? It’s unnatural to be attracted to something so inferior and incompetent. That’s why other men click together, their bond is natural. Anyone who says men and women can be together is a liar because men aren’t hardwired to be with them and vice versa. See those elderly couples today? They’re only together because they know they can’t do any better with someone of the same sex due to their time being up and they’re only with their partner out of pity. At least I woke up from the matrix and realized females were trying to feminazize everything.
You're still in. Think you've escaped? Poor boy you took the blue pill
Taking the blue pill would be one of those “respect wahmen” types. Thankfully I don’t respect a toilet gender and never will.
Yeah but women are more clean, guys have dirty assholes full of shit and hair.I mean I have nothing against gays but 2 women yeah! that's sexy, but 2 men, men have hair they smell.I mean I have nothing against gays, kidz are ok I mean kidz have clean little round bottoms but men pushing eachother shit in.And yeah, nothing against gays but imagine one pulling his dick full of shit from another's stinky asshole and the other guy sucks it, I mean that's sick! You catch the woman you fuck the woman, she's clean and most of them don't smell(some nigger, arab, gypsy mexican bitches do) but most of the women are clean and fuckable! FUck women not men and reaspect women cause they are clean and have no hair and also they can make kidz you can fuck l8r!
Guys, are you still fighting over
who hates women the most?
Aaand there’s artificial wombs, sex dolls, portable dishwashers, etc, which render women useless. Not all men want to be fathers. This shit is not going to convince someone who’s gay to not have their sexuality.
Women have no use, period. They lose their usefulness as soon as they hit a certain age, if not more younger. Considering women are aging faster than ever in this generation, I don’t blame any men for staying away from such female parasites.
>women are clean
Lol no they’re not. They carry more diseases than men and have more of a chance of having an std than men.
>kidz have clean little bottoms
Yeah no just no. Fuck off pedo.
Women are as interesting as what men see in them(no pun intended). They are uninteresting to me. They are destroyers of culture, and therefore ought to be evaded in all important, cultural, civil, intellectual, artistic topics. There's nothing magical about them, they are barbaric and regressive, to give them power and a voice is foolish. No merits can be abstracted from this animal. After the first menstruation, the hormones change the subject into a body of despotism.
Hence why to me, women are more evil than Hitler or any mass murderer. They drive men into wars, killings, what have you and claim they’re the victims when they’re not. Every last one of them are born evil, and they drive men into becoming evil so they can embrace their hatred and cruelty. But there’s men smart enough to avoid their feminine wiles and rise up against them, wanting these succubi eliminated. And that’s how it should be. Men have been righteous since day one, and always will be. A world with men is a world with peace. A world with women is a world with hell.
Still it's the duty of every male to stay rational. There is no reason to be outraged by the acts of an animal, fore it does not know how to act any better. Nature gives us our potential, physical force to act upon the weaker members. It is the duty of the rational mind to not let itself be deceived by delusional, primitive, barbarian ideas. There is no use in educating women and giving them a voice, there is as well no use in letting them speak out. I evade women wherever I see them, this is the best for the thinking mind. I'm sure, if I stopped browsing media, and questions as these, I'd forget the image of a woman. Would it be a loss for me? Not really, as I'm not physically attracted to them("physical attraction" is of course the most simple term for more processes which happen in the subconsciousness), and even less attracted I'm to them whenever I think of the words, reflection of mind, they speak, what they speak and how they speak, it's a direct insult to the intellect and men have to recognize this point or else they are forlorn in this swamp of inconsequence. Inconsequence is what's rotting our world. I haven't thought about a single (fertile) woman in the last decade, I don't remember I did the last time. There is no moral for them, only forms of government. If they had something to say, I'd have realized it years ago. There are no good female writers. Fertility degenerates the mind of the subject. I don't think about women, there is not a single point which would make them interesting to me.
tfw you’re just here for your guilty fetishes and you stumble onto psychos sharing their manifestos
Hence why I Hope female extinction acts become a thing. We need less women in this world and more men. We don’t need any more breeders, especially the physically disabled or the retarded. Sooner women fuck off and go like a Thanos snap, the better. Everything that happens to us is because they bore the sin of cunthood and must pay the ultimate price.
Oh well, with the COVID19 going around, maybe we’ll finally get our female extinction act going.
lmao that’s a decent villain monologue you’re writing for you fanfiction.
Aww… while reading these manifestos, I jerked off my rectum until it bled.
I think my belly will hurt for a week.
And if on topic.. the fewer women - the better for perverted like me^^
And how is that a villain monologue? Hey, with this virus going around, we’ll finally get a femicide fantasy and a world without women.
More men have died from Covid which is a good thing since the less violent and criminally insane bastards like you, which men are more prone to being, the better.
That’s what you sound like except this is more logical and backed by statistics.
There’s no evidence they have.
Also, ever wonder why men hate women and then go so far as to killing them? Because it’s in their nature. Men are not protectors or lovers or whatever the fuck of women. They all, from the the moment they are born, have a desire to hurt women. Doesn’t matter what they are, who they are, nadda. They will eventually kill a woman not because the pressure, but because their inner hatred awakened. They are not murdered because they “were innocent”, they are murdered because they did so many wrongdoings to make someone snap and earned rightful retribution. So think about it: all those serial killers? They were simply waking up and trying to have a world without women and came so close to fulfilling everyone’s dream, and yet they were seen as the bad guys? Fuck that shit. They realized women aren’t humans. They tried to undo the damage and got punished wrongfully.
And before anyone tells me gendercide or genocide isn’t moral or just: it actually is. Usually a good ethnic cleansing can do the job right and it will have great results. Plus, if it was considered wrong, we wouldn’t have people having a nazi fetish, now would we?
If that were the case, then it would be better for the world for all men to die. Good thing it isn’t and it’s just you who’s a psychotic and worthless piece of shit who would be improve the world by downing a cyanide pill. lmao I figured you were a hitler supporting fascist. You should follow in his footsteps and skip to the greatest thing he did-swallowing that cyanide pill.
Probably because ideally only a fictional villain would think a genocide of half the population (that we need to reproduce with) is either remotely likely or remotely human or that someone is born with wrongdoings and that their murderous beliefs are righteous. Although with the state of mental healthcare in society I guess there are sociopaths this psychotic and detached from reality that aren’t institutionalized.
Maybe they're just sadists. Their desire to hurt people is superimposed on sexual dissatisfaction. If in our world people were not afraid to admit their fetishes and organized "interest clubs"…. where people like them could torture people like me… everyone would have had fun^^ and the world would have been a better place!
My thoughts exactly. People can’t realize violence against women and hatred against them is just normal. They have no power over us.
I am a sadist myself. It’s why I’m on this site lol. There’s a difference between sexual fantasies and genuinely being a misanthropic twat. I want to stay optimistic and believe he too is simply role playing but Poe’s law.
Sexual fantasies better implement irl^^ of Course not all…
When I had a partner I just had a couple of bellypunching a week and I felt good.
And now I constantly dream of being gutted and cut up.
All the creepy thoughts people have because of the lack of something in real life. I may be wrong.. but I think that's how it works :*
The (moral) difference in quality is that women do not think about the consequences of their acts while men are able to do so and therefore can be judged for those acts. Women are natural aggressors, but men can be sadists from a thoughtful point of view.
Hence why they try to use the pussy pass to get what they want and it fails all the time. If there was a religion that favored genders correctly, all women would be sent to hell regardless of what they have or haven’t done and all men would be sent to heaven regardless of what they did do that was “evil”. Remember, nagging cunts cause serial killers. Why else do you think browbeaten husbands kill their bitch whore housewives?
You just flat out lie.
You're a cancer.
Both men and women are capable of the same deeds and thoughts, horrors and heroism.
If that were the case, explain why men are not saving women anymore like they do in those old westerns and superhero garbage. It’s in their nature to see cunts suffer and perish for all they do. Every man has an instinct to kill women, and they can’t fight it off forever.
I haven't given thought to a single fertile woman in over half my life, it's just not worth my time and nerves.
You mean like how men are still the expendable gender in everything? That must mean men really do deserve to die more than women.
" Why else do you think browbeaten husbands kill their bitch whore housewives?"
Ah, but you see, pretty much every civilized country's court system will give men harsher sentences than women because they are the eviler species, if failed abortions like you are any indication.
Some scientifics data about the stuff I mentioned before which also explains why there are more men in prison than women https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Overlapping-distributions-of-Agreeableness-for-men-and-women-Vertical-axis-indicates_fig10_51594567
so considering this curve women are less evil than men they are more likely to obey. What proves that women are natural slaves. They are less likely end in jail because they will submit rather than trying to fight. probably this is related to being passive as well because ot be active you must be ready to push your will, usually by forcing others to submit.
to end in jail you need to be really disagreeable.
it can be seen that statistically women are pretty much all same and men have very different personalities
Same situation with other personality traits as neuroticism which makes people worry a lot.
This sort of proves that women are good as support characters but pretty lousy leaders. and they are somewhat complementary to men but there are way more very disagreeable men than very agreeable women
and also very few disagreeable women to dominate agreeable doormats men
Not the case, because women get harsher sentences for killing in self defense. Plus, there’s more women in jail than men. Serves them right, since women have the mindset of a crying toddler and the body of a disgusting Barbie doll.
Ohhh so you played w/barbie and didn't see vagina so not you chicks poor dude
lol where do you live, the Middle East? People like you are subhuman animals.
And there you go. Nobody is going to take your point seriously. Women don’t outgrow their high school stage in life because high school never ended for their childlike mindset. They may claim to be grown adults, but they don’t act like it. Then when they become flabby and old, they wonder why they’re so useless and why men who are old enough to be dads or grandpas go for the college skanks before ditching them too.
I have never taken women seriously and have zero desire to with their fickle mindsets and just as childish antics.
We don’t need to reproduce with them. That’s an option. We have artificial wombs, which makes it a lot easier than some fleshy sex bot female with a bad attitude (which is what human women also are, sex bots with bad attitudes. Thanks MGTOW!). Plus, not all men want to breed with those inferior harem fuck trophy wannabes. Why else do you think they go for porn, fleshlights, body pillows, waifus, etc? Because less nagging, less sluttiness, less of a chance of cheating, you name it. Human reproduction is also unnecessary to me because why would I want to carry my genes over to some spoiled ass cunt who is in no way, shape, or form, considered a human to me? Exactly. Real men avoid reproducing because there’s some like me who would rather cut their own balls off than let some evil spawn of Satan give birth to a child that will suffer and never have a good life all because of a selfish breeder cunt who thought it was a good idea to overpopulate the world with more crotch dumplings.
lol this is some serious high level autism. You think any sane mentally stable person would take these sociopathic incel rants seriously? You might get some crazy cultist sympathizers on a gore chan site (and even then, most people are against you) but you say any of that shit in real life you’d be put on a watchlist.
The statistics are similar in every country.
Women and girls make up 7% of the global prison population. Males make up 93%. What fantasy world do you live in where there are more women in jail than men? Getting punished harsher for self defense is harder to quantify but in all 1st world countries it tends to be men who are treated harsher. The UK, especially, have charged men for killing home invaders due to "excessive force". I've never heard of women being charged for it.
german nazi scientists already discovered that "work sets you free"
Men want freedom so much that they ruin their health and lives at work and then amne measly virus is enough to give them freedom from this pathetic earthly life LOL
Women on the other hand are a bit smarter to avoid that kind of self destruction so they live longer.
The only reason cunts live longer is so they can make others suffer. Makes me grateful more and more people are waking up to realize females are a species and not apart of humanity.
lol how do you expect anyone to take you seriously when it’s been proven all your sociopath logic applies to men more? There are more men in jail because they’re more evil. Media treats men as the expendable gender because they’re not worth saving. There’s more men killed by coronavirus because even nature realizes men need to die more.
Maybe you actually secretly hate men and this is some reverse psychology on your part in which case bravo you really pulled one over on me. But I think it’s more likely you’re just completely retarded lol.
>>11251>they can make others suffer.
How do they do it?
Tell us that secret it may be useful in case we will want to make someone we hate suffer
Their nagging. Their voices. Their mere presence is enough to piss any hot-blooded male off. Ever notice how when they bitch long enough, the man calls it off and goes to better, cheaper pussy? Thought so.
“Men are expendable and not worth saving”
JFL @ this logic. Men are actually worth saving and not expendable. They do more than some nag with a gash between her legs that bleeds until she has empty eggs at 30.
I think this was maybe a fantasy post?
Like… I love women in RL, but when it comes to fantasy im all for seeing them tortured and destroyed.
But there is a huge and clear distinction.
Doubt it even is fantasy. Then again, who even cares?
"Their nagging. Their voices. A repulsive mentally ill male's mere presence is enough to piss any mentally adjusted male and female>>11255
off. Ever notice how when they bitch long enough, the rest of society ostracizes them or beats them up? Thought so."
Fixed for you.>>11255
It's just using your own retarded logic bro lol. You used media not having women be saved as much as reasoning that it's in men's instinct to want to see them suffer and perish (??? There's still a part of me that believes you're just playing around because there's no way even the most low spectrum sperg can't see how fucking retarded that sounds) so using that same kind of wacko logic, men continuing to still easily be the expendable gender in media all over the world is reasoning that everyone agrees men are not worth saving and expendable.
Anyway, stop spamming and just multiquote. It's obvious the posts are the same person when they're posted within a few minutes of each other with the same incel content.
Speaking of incel I had to look up what JFL was and lo and behold it turned out to be incel jargon. Not surprised in the slightest lmfao.
For whatever reason, this latest iteration of gurochan just seems to attract the most mentally ill subhumans. Some of these people posting on here should be castrated and locked up in a mental institution.
Meh tbh I actually a bit disappointed in both the men and women on this thread. Besides the name calling each from both sides have been demeaning and degrading each other. Despite the title, it isn't just men doing it, females have been jumping in and both have been saying that neither deserves to live or are useless/deserves something bad to happpen to them. Despite this being a gore website that has both sets of fantasies for both individuals, every human being is worth something. There is an a split between reality and fantasy and you should desire for another person to get hurt. If either of you women or men have any misandristic or misogynistic feelings, seeking irl help would be the best solution. Tell someone you trust what you're feeling (more than likey someone with your matching gender) and seek guidance even if you believe it will do nothing. Talk to another person. I will admit though, I don't like how men are portrayed in the media either which I won't fully divulge here and leads to the concept of us being evil or how most of general violence you see in media is portrayed against guys in general in every genre of movie and tv shows. Or some of the instances where a small wrong like cheating is justifable for anything happening to you but not vice versa. There are many contradictions I do see very well, but there are other ways to talk about them. For instance, OP why do you hate them?
Please, have some Courtsey, have some Sympathy and have some Taste >:)
*Shouldn't desire for a person to get hurt*
Damn typos >:)
Nah, I'm a dude and a sexual sadist myself lol. I'm just giving him a taste of his own medicine with his own insane logic. I of course don't personally believe any of that bullshit. I know the difference between sexual and other cathartic fictional fantasies and being a decent human being in reality.
There is no god
Trying to seek psychological help doesn’t really do people any better. They often become worse off than they are. Plus, psychiatrists and therapists are just motivational speakers who feed you stuff they think will help you when it won’t in the long run and scam you by getting their greedy hands on your money.
Actually this is the only way to get any attention at all in the modern world. So OP is trying to say any kind of most offensive things expecting that someone will see him.
When even that stops working its is time to rent a truck …
Tbh there’s plenty of reasons to hate women.
They boo-hoo about how there’s men who lord over in countries and abuse their power, yet do nothing of it.
There’s people who rape and while they know of it, again, they do nothing of it but hope for karma/God/Flying Spaghetti Monster to punish them.
They claim to be strong and independent, yet whine if they break a nail or can’t open a jar.
They drive men to commit crimes, but INSIST they’re the innocent ones and the victims.
They wear makeup, but claim they’re all for beauty - spoiler alert: there’s no such thing as beauty for them.
They can’t cook. Explain to me why all the top chefs are male.
They can’t clean.
They can’t sing. No, screaming like a fucking banshee isn’t singing, you dumb cow.
They have all their eggs at birth, yet lose them constantly. What is the point of reproducing with something that keeps losing what helps them? Exactly.
Speaking of which, they lose their eggs as young as 20. Mother Nature my ass, nothing favors them.
They claim to be loving and nurturing, but are the opposite with their significant other/family/you name it.
They never grow up mentally. Physically, they may look adult, but mentally, they are like damn brats. Holy fuck, they couldn’t be any more annoying.
They’re also more responsible for human tragedies. You would think these “strong, independent” WAAAAAHmyn would try and not repeat history, but due to thinking with emotions and not logic, they are incapable of a feat.
Which brings me to my next point. There’s more retard and disabled women out there than men.
They also favor looks and money. And yet men are called the shallow ones for going for girls in their early 20s over these middle-aged skanks with blown out pussies.
They bitch and complain, but god help you if you call a cunt out.
They want equal rights, but not lefts. Fair fucking game.
They act inhuman, yet expect us to see them as equal. Fuck. That. Shit.
They ruin men’s lives, but wonder why men want nothing to do with them.
They insist they can be responsible parents, yet they obviously can’t be. No wonder there’s daughters out there doing porn or sons doing drugs. All because of this fuckup gender known as females.
Plus, to me, the F in female stands for failure. My mother realized she was a female parasite not long ago and she knows her time is up. My father realizes women are a lost cause who need to go. They both woke up, realizing women are worthless scum, only needed for reproduction and even then they can’t do it right.
TL;DR - women are scum of the earth and the reason why men commit atrocities is because women did nothing and they drove them to it.
And here’s this in rebuttal. Tell me again how “wOmEn ArE a SmAlL pErCenTagE iN pRiSon”, you fucking dumbass.https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2019women.html
I read all, but I'll be try to be brief
Generally there are alot of females who take roles in government and alot of establishment (especially in the HR departments). I appreciate that up to the point where they try to replace men completely with women in every position. This isn't me being sexist btw, I have literally seen it happen several times to where it will either be primarily women or gay men (not bashing or shaming, but true). So, the "change nothing" perception isn't really true, but their sexism sure can be.
As true as your second statement is, there is a particular fear both men and women have about approaching rape. Due to false allegations and information, some people are more cautious to explain the story, or accuse someone. The other instance is generally someone being scared or not knowing how to handle the situation. There are plenty of examples of both men and women being sexually assaulted or raped and not saying anything as to not be chastissed/laughed at or not wanting to deal with it and wanting it to be over. They generally wish they had another chance at this particular moment, and it will often make them more agressive in the future (especially towards those who falsely accuse or to those who rape/assault). (I also do not approve of sexual violence or death of these individuals despite the fact you can tell what sort of monsters they are). The best solution if the situation arrises it to tell authorities, but not many people think of that or think it will lead nowhere or in general stay out of it because the person who told them asked them to say nothing. This happens to men and women in general to btw. A very good example of this is Terry Crews who was trolled online.
Middle-ish assessment but not in those words - I personally believe if you say you can handle something you shouldnt complain, but some people get into situations they can't fully handle or don't know what to do next. Sometimes they can be a shit-ton stronger than they appear. You shouldn't underestimate because despite what some people claim to complain about, they can be alot stronger in certain other areas and can suprise you.
I see this point as well as there are those (decent amount of times female) that use persuasion to have other people (primarily men) hurt or kill each other (or themselves) for there sick sadistic amusement, roll them out for money and taunt them while down. I loathe these types because they are more dangerous than people account for. They often will lie about more serious things like rape or assault/sexual assault and play as a victim of something that has not happened to them in order to enrage people. That however isn't all women or even most of them. After a while of vetting, you will see the difference in red flags of those people. A little bit of information given to those individuals (dudes) separately with witnesses (who have seen first hand the bitch's manipulation) about who those people have within their company should be enough to deter them from being around them. It has to be done quickly and carefully though because rumors spread like wildfire. The women who see this happening in general should (figuratively) devour them whole and explain who this "cunt" truly is because it undermines them.
The makeup I personally believe is from the older, more primal days of wanting to be/stay attractive to attract a mate. Some things in all of us are primal and can't be fought primarily. Us dudes generally don't want to lose our libido or mojo >:) and want to be able to handle any situation and perform. For females I believe they don't want to lose the way males look at them and stay youthful. I have seen an attractive female that generally isn't feeling like she isn't getting many looks do some pretty wild things for attention. One example, for instance would be J Lo in Hustlers vs J Lo back in the early 2000s. Kind of funny back then, there would be no chance in hell seeing her do that on a pole but as she approaches past 50… Still hot af
They can cook, everyone can cook (learning isnt that hard either) and the running gag for that is generally males can't cook. Also funny because we don't like to cook but don't want to all the time either.
Everyone can clean (I thinking maybe this is 1 or 2 general females irl you maybe thinking of)
Not everyone can sing, tbh.
The eggs although they may lose them, males also lose sperm count. Although it does dwindle we can reproduce all throughout our life, but thats no reason to bash either. Everyone gets older, decays and dies sooner or later. Even though we have testosterone there are alot of advantages each gender has even over the other. Females have a higher chance of living with bloodloss (even after horrific injuries)and men generally are alot stronger. I won't list everything here but nature has dealt cards to both hands, along with blows.
Some of the wrong individuals claim to be naturing and loving in order to fuck you over later. A significant other that does this is likely trying to use you for what they can get. Not everyone can see red flags until its so far late you can do nothing but watch your own mistakes claim you. You shouldn't feel bad though. You learn these flags and stay away from individuals like that.
Jokingly somewhat fair - The nagging and doing unnecessary/petty shit is very annoying, but you kind of realize sometimes its because they love you or because you maybe doing something wrong that threatens your longevity and or stability. If they however are deliberately setting you up for failure or trying to demean or degrade you, that is a form of manipulation to which case yeah you can go ahead and leave them.
For the earlier point, I will stretch on this. Even though they can be persuasive, (not all of them try this) the individual themself (all though they may not be in the right state of mind) has a due diligence to assess the situation and to fact check/personailty check the person. They step into it only to apologize later and sometimes the action may be too great for an apology. If they had something to do with it however, legal action should also be taken against the persuader. The emotions not logic, although estrogen and females are known for this and take most the flack of it can also go for men as well. Testosterone makes you ultra aggressive and patience is a long time learned virtue.
I'm trying to fact check this but having a hard time finding a sheet. Please provide a link/proof.
I can also see this. Its a running gag of how females are "sexualized" but every dude in movies is some super handsome, muscle bound, billionare with boats, yachts, mansions and absoultely needs, I mean must absoultely have a woman to define or complete him…. despite how females are strong on their own and need no defining. Also, how if that dude didn't have those posessions they would be looked at as creepy or some instances justifiably stalkerish. I love seeing oppai (titties and love assessts) and just enjoying content. Some fucking snowflake comes along with false information to change a narrative and is absolutely fine keeping other things that are from their own defintion sexist or offensive because it doesnt affect them. Another example of this is the Mortal Kombat outfit bullshit. Ed boon talks about having better outfits because no one "comes to combat in a bikini" but has most the dudes shirtless and any type of female outfit that even shows arm skin is hard to come by. Cetrion was added and sindel (who is the oldest btw for a reason) finally got added months/years later and they fuck with you having to pay 20 per outfit for the Klassic skins which the rotated out so if you wanted on you had to buy them all at different times, costing you 100+ maybe. This coupled with the komplete pack others bought months earlier and felt cheated/ ripped off for it not being included and asked for it to be added. My over all point is I've seen in some of the oddest areas where blatant sexism towards dudes has been ignored and dudes are told to ignore their nature to/feelings/inner urges to sleep with or look at a woman only to have those same feeling exploited by them/others. It sickens me and I understand your point entirely, as this does not get addressed enough.
Everyone complains, some more than others (but not just women).
I in general believe if you do something or say you can do something, you don't complain if you can't or about consequences. I believe in actual fairness and "regardless of gender" justice. I don't like seeing when women commit heinous crimes against dudes and get slaps on the wrist. Although there are examples of men getting slaps on the wrist as well, more times than not it's female. Even though I wouldn't use your terms, I see some merit.
Getting burned by enough of them will have you recluse, especially when you have more to lose (establishment, house car, etc). They will generally try to bash you by calling you names (Neckbeard, Incel,etc) or insinuating you're gay. It gets a bit annoying and even more annoying explaining why for the time being (maybe for years) why you don't actively want or no longer seek relationships or feel a bit uncomfortable around them. *On a side note for the females here its kind of like if you were abused by someone long enough, because what the particular females I'm talking about do is abuse, anyone who reminds you of them and who doesn't predate when it happened to you (someone who has a history of not hurting you) you would not want to associate with. If you catch what I'm saying you've been through this is some way.*
Its also a running gag the mothers are more responsible while the dads tend to be more risky. I believe your irl situation may have been really bad and I personaly wouldn't ask for you to explain your story here, especially because there are some people who may bash or ridicule you, but if necessary I'll give you my contact.
I think this may be your root problem that was never addressed and you want to actively talk to someone about it. If this is so again please ask for my contact.
TLDR - May not be true and may sometimes have merit, but people also have their own responsibilities despite circumstances.
Lmfao did you sustain serious brain damage from being dropped on your head as a kid all the time? Where does that say anything about the percentage of women compared to men?
That entire article is solely about women compared to themselves.
Meanwhile, compared to menhttps://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/genderinc.html
As said in your article there are 230,000 females incarcerated. There are over 2.3 million people incarcerated. What do you think the rest of the people incarcerated are?
lmfao are you really this brain dead and retarded? This is 2nd grade math.
“Mothers are more responsible”
If any of that were the case, why do they do nothing about those abusing/raping their kids and expect a superhero to save them? Even worse when they know about it and do jack. It’s like they actually support it as long as it’s not done on them.
All the stuff listed (before your response that I read) makes me WISH they would teach Misogyny 101 classes in schools nowadays. We would learn all about why women are a failed species, why they’re stupid, etc.
Also, I was lucky to indoctrinate my hatred of women on my parents. My dad knows the female species is a lost cause and my mom knows she’s a parasitical scum who has no purpose. Just because they say it’s necessary to reproduce does not equate to “we should reproduce with a failed species”. There’s more bad things in bearing children than good.
Eventually, everyone will see it too, I believe. Men will realize women as a species are a lost cause and women will realize they can be replaced by transgenders who do their duties better than them, or even sexbots, who are far more dutiful and graceful. Plus, least the sexbots never whine, never age, always serve with a smile, and so on.
>>11272>Just because they say it’s necessary to reproduce does not equate to “we should reproduce with a failed species”. There’s more bad things in bearing children than good.
Why it necessary to reproduce? who said that?
reproduction to a man is nothing than form of domination to show everyone how great you are to populate earth with your own copies who may be not even your copies at all LOL
If you are into that stuff do it at your own expense and risk :) domination does not come for free.
The stupid ass prolifers who believe everyone should reproduce. Never mind the fact they’re just as mentally ill as they come, they think anyone can be a parent despite they themselves proving to be anything but capable.
And to those who want to link statistics about how more men are this and more men are that: it’s utter horseshit and you know it. Women are committing more crimes, more heinous acts than men, yet insist they’re innocent.
Oh, and don’t get me started on how they’re “more peaceful than men” when it comes to leadership, because they’re incompetent and they can’t do shit right. Women are horrendous at managing businesses and kingdoms.
Everything about them is just an inferior version of man. Their breasts are just fatty balloons, their vaginas are blown out roast beef, their clits are Chinese bootleg penises that don’t cum or do anything, their bodies are unappealing in every way. Everything they do or say causes strife and because of them, men suffer every day. Yet they want to insist THEY suffered for centuries when all they did was take cock, birth an abortion and make everyone’s lives shit and misery. They are living parasites in every step of the way.
Oh definitely. I too believe most people shouldn’t reproduce. The vast majority of people don’t need to be passing on their genes. In fact, I believe there should be a parenting license and tests to determine if you’re financially and mentally capable enough to take care of children.
However, good samaritans, the healthy productive members of society will want to and should reproduce for the betterment of humanity. Obviously no one (besides cynical misanthropes who likely have depression and don’t care if they themselves die but are just too afraid to commit suicide) wants humanity to become extinct.
However, on the subject of parenting, it’s ironic that despite your fondness of ignorant stereotypes you don’t realize it’s men who most often joke about hearing that their girlfriend is pregnant means it’s time to bail, it’s fathers who have the reputation of abandoning children, which is also backed by statistics.
Although it’s also funny you refuse statistics as if your abnormal anecdotes and experiences trump other people’s. It’s pretty clear to me that you didn’t have a proper childhood, with bad parents who likely abused you.
It loops back to what we were originally talking about. Our childcare system sucks and there’s way too many awful parents who have children they’re not able to properly care for, hurting their children and making it likely the kids also abuse their children if they have them. Cycle of abuse. Which is why I consider people who can break the cycle of abuse (while still having them) heroes. Just cutting the knot entirely and refusing to have children at all still works but it’s more of a cop out in that while you’re not continuing the cycle anymore you’re still the asshole your parents made you to be and were. Gotta give props for at least not making more of you though.
Would be better if you can realize how horrible your parents were and strive not to be like them but I guess not everyone is up to the task. Which also calls back the movie villain analogy. Many movie villains are motivated by their troubled pasts and needing to project their own bad experiences onto everyone else. For example, lotso from Toy Story 3 who believed all toys were meant to be trash because he believed he himself was trashed by his owner. Pretty much your entire tirade consists of extremely specific anecdotes of what must be a single woman who did those things to you. You’re basically lotso.
Hence why I believe there shouldn’t just be breeding or parenting licenses, but also euthanasia. Hell, I honestly believe there should also be a license to exist as a human being.
Also, I wish more and more women would admit they’re parasites. My own mother did and she knows her time as a human being is coming to a close since she is just another leech to men. Why the rest of the female gender cannot admit they’re parasitical is beyond me.
I’m both a strong proponent for euthanasia and abortion too.
However, taking away a sentient person’s life without their consent if they’re not an active physical threat is murder plain and simple and makes you the active physical threat. License to exist would also just not work. I mean, do you actually believe that there’s a good likelihood that the system would deem someone like you qualified? Though your posts do give off Freudian vibes (particularly “birthing an abortion”) that make me doubt your own desire to exist.
Anyway just because your mother and the other women in your life were parasites does not make all women parasites. Just like how if a father and the rest of the men in his life allows him to rape his kid it doesn’t make you and every other men child rapists either… right? On second thought let’s make this about something you think men aren’t. I’m guessing you don’t think men are retarded and can’t do anything right. Well, all the men in Shaun of the Dead and many animated sitcoms are retarded and can’t do anything right. That does not make all men like that.
>>11274>Everything about them is just an inferior version of man.
THis depends how you measure superiority.
But assuming this to be true, thats is the reason to love women not hate, unless you are gay.
No normal man will love anyone who is superior in anything he considers important to him as this will conflict with his dominance desires.
So if women are inferior it is why you should love them and feel safe because you know that you will always win any conflict with a woman.
If I had a choice what to destroy i would definitely choose to destroy everyone who is superior to me because i don't want that kind of competition equality yes, that's tolerable and desirable, superiority - no.
also I don't see anything wrong with being parasites, because you keep cats and dogs as pets who are just as useful as parasites you allow your cat leech on you so why women should be worse? they also sometimes look pretty cute.
No, the parasites he's talking about are far worse. If you break down each post he is explaining something to you all. You have to be able to see it in some ways. This is the "Cunt" class. I reserve that for the worst of the worst. Those who will bleed you dry, try to make you harm yourself (even get off to seeing you in pain), hurt those around them or use them as pawns (some times to get to you), lie about very serious matters, etc. That however isn't all women or even most of them.
*Also couldn't help but to notice someone insiuating that you're gay depsite me almost exclusively making an explaination of how that may not be true and you can just not want a relationship - not to mention you were likely hurt and trauma can bring about these feelings.
Op do you have a steam account (don't list it here if you do)?
Also, I kind of think no one on this Guro site would be able to reproduce under the circumstances you list (ultra ironic), let alone decide if other human beings should. I believe that human beings should not interfere with each others ambitions nor try to harm or rule over each other, but an unborn should not have someone cut their life short by anyone on either side and deserves life.
“That however isn’t all women”
Stop defending them, please. Femacites literally ruin lives left and right for their own selfish delight and then turn around to insist they are the victims. They do nothing about those abusing their power and lording over others in other countries, they do nothing about those who rape even children. They act all horrified, but sit back and not just do nothing about this, not just flail their arms around like an autist, not JUST sit there and wait for Superman to save them - but they condone it. THEY SUPPORT IT. It’s two-faced hypocrisy on their half, how they claim to be so against it and so horrified, but DO FUCKING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. If they were so against all this awful shit that’s done, they would get off their fat asses and stop eating bonbons, let alone make a fucking effort. But because women literally stop mentally developing as soon as they hit puberty, their mindsets cannot comprehend doing such a thing and they just act like dumb kids.
And the sooner women admit they’re a parasitical race destined to fail and suffer, the better.
>>11287>They do nothing about those abusing their power and lording over others in other countries,
Like I said before this is not a female function, women were tweaked by nature to be best possible incubators and child-raising machines. They did not evolve into freedom fighters scientists engineers astronomers or anything else what is plain idiocy in terms of evolution. quantum physic knowledge will not help you to pass your genes.
according to evolution men are "parasitical race" because you rather then focusing on impregnating as many women as you can and spreading your genes, you are wasting precious time complaining about women.
women are at this time are looking for some sucker to milk and provide for their children doing what evolution designed them to do. Solving world problems will not improve your chances of passing your genes
So why do you expect them to do something they are not designed to do at all?
just leave them alone and let them do their job which they do pretty well. If some female freak will be born who is rather interested in physic or maybe even feels pleasure from sex and not from the fact that men are worshiping her you have chance 1 of milion that you will meet her and maybe you have some kind of relationship. But probably not because even if you meet her she will be ripped apart by men trying to make that miracle of the nature their friend.
Here’s the thing, if they know the whole time this evil shit is going on, why they do NOTHING about it is beyond me. If they’re so against it, why support it blindly? There’s women who literally allow people to rape women and kids and despite speaking out of how bad it is, they do nothing to stop it and therefore support all this fucked up shit. Yet at the same toss of the coin, men are supposed to be “responsible” for these tragedies despite not doing anything to cause it. You want to know WHY men want artificial wombs and sex bots? It’s shit like this and that is what causes them to realize females are a lost cause and even if we couldn’t reproduce with them, we would be better off without such a rape-condoning, child molestation supporting, violence craving species known as women. Yet it’s us men who are “SOOOO EVIIIIL” And “CAUSE ALL THOSE WARS” despite none of these walking breeding factories doing shit to stop it or even getting off their fat, below level IQ, stopped developing mentally as soon as puberty hit, asses. So yes, women are parasites who practically support evil and embrace it, but shift the blame on others like the eternal children they are.
That’s not defending them, that’s just fact. There are plenty of child rapists who are men, statistically most of them. Does that make you a child rapist as well? Does the fact that you don’t widely condemn men as a parasitic species like you do to women mean you support child rapists? Notice how those lording power and abusing people in other countries are predominantly men. Does not widely calling for all men to be killed mean you defend child rapists and tyranny? What do YOU do about male child rapists?
It doesn’t call for them to be killed. You would think because these women know they’re abusing their power and committing heinous acts, they would do something or at least rub two brain cells together to comprehend why this is wrong. But alas, because women are eternally children in terms of behavior and mental development, they just simply plug their ears up with their fingers and go “LA LA LA NOT LISTENING”. They KNOW they’re driving men into doing these actions and instead of preventing them from it, they put their thumbs in their asses and go all surprised Pikachu face when these incidents occur. They play dumb about it, yet sit back and watch the shitshow go on. They condone this shit as long as it’s not on them. But if it’s on them, they play the boohoo pity me victim card.
The entirety of the blame from the people abusing their powers are on the people abusing their powers. Again, what do YOU do to stop evil men? Is the stuff evil men do your fault because you don’t do anything to stop it? No, women don’t drive men to commit evil actions. That’s entirely on the man. This is like saying if a robber stole your food because “you look ugly” it’s because “you drove him to do it”. That’s like saying because you were abused it’s you, the abuse victim’s fault, not the abuser’s. No, it’s entirely his fault. Honestly, from the sounds of it, it seems like you had an abusive father who abused you and your mom and then indoctrinated you to believe it was your mom’s fault for not doing anything about it when no, it’s your father who’s a piece of shit scumbag who should’ve been locked up. Your father is an evil manipulator who’s brainwashed his victims to blame each other other than him. You don’t even realize that you’re doing the same thing you accuse women (your mom) of doing.
You accuse women (which I’m sure is a stand-in for your mother) of condoning it when it happens to others (you I’m guessing) and then crying when it happens to her, when that’s exactly what you’re doing, blaming your abuse on over 3 billion people on the planet for a single woman’s non-action while saying she deserved her own abuse when it happens to her. The real villain here is your father. Your father is the evil scumbag here who’s brainwashed you and likely your mother too. Honestly, it more seems like the system failed you. It loops back to how shitty and incompetent our childcare and mental health system is.
“Crying when it happens to her”
AHAHAHAHA OH FUCKING WOW.
I’ve never shed a fucking tear for that goddamn parasite in my life. She abused my father to where he absolutely snapped on her and rightfully put the parasite in her place. He knows women are parasites and their time is up, much like how my mother knows she’s a parasite herself and the clock is ticking, certainly not in her favor.
However, I can agree she did deserve her abuse, rightfully so. She wanted to behave like an animal, she can be treated worse than one.
“Women don’t drive men to commit evil actions”
Please explain why there’s murder cases where a man kills his nagging cunt wife then. And he admits she drove him to it. Hell, explain to me all those fucking school shooters like Elliot Rodger et al. So yes, THEY ARE FUCKING DRIVING THEM TO DO THIS SHIT. They FUCKING KNOW they are and instead of realizing they’re creating a monster, they sit back and watch the show. Then baaaawwww and whine that it’s “their” fault, when these stupid fucking femacites knew all about these lording overs/rape/etc. and said NOT A PEEP. They practically fucking condone it and say they don’t support it, like the hypocrites they are. Wake the fuck up and realize they are scum.
No, you’re misreading it. I said “you accuse her of crying when the abuse happens to her and then condoning it when it happens to other people (you)” when you’re doing the exact same thing. You “condone it” when it happened to your mother because you say she deserved it but then when it happens to you you play the victim card and blame 3 billion completely unrelated people.
You are just like your mother. How do we know you and your father didn't “deserve” to be abused huh? Because you sure have been sounding like an animal this entire thread. If I were operating on the same logic as you I’d say you deserved it and “drove your mother to abuse you”
However I believe your father is the real crux of the issue. He drove the two of you against each other so that both of you blamed each other and excuse his own abusiveness. You need to break free from your brainwashing and realize that.
Elliot Rodgers was a severely mentally ill (diagnosed) sociopath who hated all of humanity and in fact killed mostly men before killing himself. Obviously 99.99999999999999% of people, both men and women are not like that. Do you relate with him? Why are you bringing up criminal cases as if it’s a good thing? You realize that there are plenty of women criminals who’ve done things like cut their husband’s dick off for fun? Do you condone that? Maybe your mom should’ve cut your dad’s dick off? Maybe she should’ve cut your dick off? Hell, earlier on you (wrongly) claimed there are more women incarcerated as if it was a bad thing so you’re just being completely inconsistent.
Except he had a right to stand up to her. She abused me and then tried to act like she was the good parent all along, hammering me over the head with how “men are pigs”, “they never do anything right”, etc. when she would sit on her fat ass and do fucking NOTHING, playing victim cards galore like it’s Uno. I have been abused by women a majority of my life to the fucking point of where I have to avoid public contact with them. And yet, these people try to say “NoT aLl WoMeN” like it’s gonna fucking help.
And there you go, defending female criminals. Typical bullshit I would expect from you.
So please, fuck off with your Pollyanna advice of humanity. Optimism doesn’t help anyone.
And if we’re going to use your logic, maybe it’s you who “drove her” to abuse you. Maybe she “had the right” to say all men are pigs due to her bad experiences with men. I mean, you had bad experiences with a single woman and you blame it on 3 billion unrelated people. She blaming all men because she had a bad experience with a handful is the same thing.
I mean, seriously you’re literally doing the exact same thing your mother did. You’re pulling the victim card and blaming random unrelated people for your family’s problem. You say your mom sat on her fat ass and did nothing but complain. What have YOU done other than blame everyone else for your problems? I guess the apple really doesn’t fall far from the tree. Try to NOT be like your parents.
“And there you go, defending female criminals.”
Probably because you brought up and defended criminals first?
And what exactly have I posted that’s a “pollyanna” advice of humanity? Everything I’ve posted is merely fact. Although since you brought it up it is better to be optimistic. Even if life sucks you want for it to be better. You should want it to improve and want to improve yourself. What good is living pessimistically? To want to make others miserable because you’re miserable? Again, this is something else villains do. Wanting to get as many people to join them in their hole rather than digging their way out and helping others onto clean land.
Firstly, "dick cutting" really? Alot of men rape women for fun or cut off their clits/labia or mutilate/maim them in some fashion for their own sadism. No portion of that is ok nor does anyone condone any of it unless they outright say they do. Now, maybe he's explaining how his father was a decent individual and you mis-interpreted what he said. He never blamed his father once. He is saying his mother tried to bash him by being the oh so typical toxic feminist. There is a difference between wanting respect and wanting power. I believe he's trying to maybe explain the father figured out what was happening and finally decided enough was enough and stood up for himself/snapped. I would however like for you op to talk to me privately if you have a steam account (again don't list it here) so we could discuss these things where I can explain how not everything you see maybe be the way you see it. There are different angles and experiences you would have to see. Some things you could be spot on for and the subject matter is swept under the rug and allowed to continue, other times you can be completly off your mark and not know it. I would like for you to explain the scenario. But, for this instance as the question I have above I would like to be answered too, are you really saying you never met a positive female who has never (using term loosely) hurt you and just liked/supported you? I really want you to think of every instance.
You should use quotes to specify who exactly you're talking to because you're definitely talking to multiple different people in this post. In any case, I believe "Now, maybe he's explaining how his father was a decent individual and you mis-interpreted what he said. He never blamed his father once. He is saying his mother tried to bash him by being the oh so typical toxic feminist. There is a difference between wanting respect and wanting power. I believe he's trying to maybe explain the father figured out what was happening and finally decided enough was enough and stood up for himself/snapped." this part is for me? Reading between the lines of his statements about women (his mother) not standing up against their rape/children getting raped and doing nothing because they expect a superhero to save them then it's very likely he's talking about his mother not doing anything about the abuse his father did to them. Plus, that would also explain posts like " It’s in their nature to see cunts suffer and perish for all they do. Every man has an instinct to kill women, and they can’t fight it off forever." It really sounds like a philosophy a male figure in his life put upon him. And have you noticed that the only form of "abuse" he's ever mentioned "women" (his mom) do are nagging and "not doing anything about getting abused"? Meanwhile all his praises for men are physical things (usually murder)?
Put it all together and the story I'm getting is that his father physically abused him and his mother and his mother just let it happen and didn't do anything about it other than nagging both the father and anon. Eventually the father stopped that too and managed to get the mom to agree that she's a parasite (maybe even killed her? Anon does seem obsessed with saying women cause murder and serial killings). Meanwhile, the father dealt with his son (anon) by convincing him that his mother deserved it, that all women inherently deserve it, and that "nagging" is a justifiable reason for murder so that anon would never blame the father.
That's the story I'm getting.
Of course, now that I've spelled it out it's likely he'll deny that's how it happened but that is the logical conclusion to get from the stuff he's currently said.
*Oh, and I would also like to add "and convinced him that it was her fault that she never stood up against him, which is the most common tactic for domestic abusers to pin the blame on their victims."
>>11289>Here’s the thing, if they know the whole time this evil shit is going on, why they do NOTHING about it is beyond me.
What do you expect them to do against this evil?
women are quite weak and vulnerable much more than men so you cant expect them to act like superheroes. A normal man will always defeat almost any woman because he is stronger than her physically and mentally.>>11296>Elliot Rodgers was a severely mentally ill (diagnosed) sociopath who hated all of humanity and in fact killed mostly men before killing himself.
No, no, Eliot was not a sociopath he was just a very shy and neglected boy who was totally ignored by everyone as if he does not exist.
He received no help from society so his behavior and hate is totally justified.>>11295>Hell, explain to me all those fucking school shooters like Elliot Rodger et al.
In reality, Eliot's story is very different than the media is portraying. The reason for his shooting was not hatred for women but the fact that he was about to become homeless because he was living on his mother's money and she decided to cut off funding for him. being mentally ill and unable to work he had no other choice.
all his hate was more like a fantasy which he decided to play just before committing suicide.
No woman ever rejected him in all his life simply because he did not even come near them. except for 2 times: 1 when he poured glass fo coke on them and 2 when he attempted to kill them by pushing them out of the balcony.>>11297>Except he had a right to stand up to her. She abused me and then tried to act like she was the good parent all along, hammering me over the head with how “men are pigs”, “they never do anything right”, etc. when she would sit on her fat ass and do fucking NOTHING, playing victim cards galore like it’s Uno.
I would rather say that it is the guilt of your loser doormat father. if he did not stand up and put that bitch in her place.
In fact, you could also put her in place because you are a man too. You should have immobilized her somehow like tying her hands while she is sleeping, then taking a good belt and whipping her until she will be sobbing and crying and begging to forgive for all that she did.>>11301>*Oh, and I would also like to add "and convinced him that it was her fault that she never stood up against him, which is the most common tactic for domestic abusers to pin the blame on their victims."
victims are rarely innocent because every victim has the ability to stand up for themselves. You are not willing to stand up, that's your choice to be a victim. in our modern world more or less everyone is equal in terms of power so there is no excuse being a victim.
>>11302>victims are rarely innocent because every victim has the ability to stand up for themselves. You are not willing to stand up, that's your choice to be a victim. in our modern world more or less everyone is equal in terms of power so there is no excuse being a victim.>he was just a very shy and neglected boy who was totally ignored by everyone as if he does not exist.
He received no help from society so his behavior and hate is totally justified.
lol shut the fuck up Onix. You’re also an autist. Just not as bad as the other guy.
No, I would rather diagnose myself as covert schizoid, which is the opposite of autist.
No autist would ever make a story like mine LOL and in my perspective, you are all autists because of your lack of understanding deeper meaning ;)
Yes, Eliot's hate and behavior are justified because society is supposed to help those who are unfortunate.
all that tragedy(if we even call it a tragedy because of very few victims) could be avoided if someone just took care of him and solved his problems rather than leaving him all for himself.
I know that the typical narrative in our society is you are all for yourself and do not interfere with other people's lives if you got in trouble just quietly dig a grave and lie preparing for death or else you may pollute the street with your rotting corpse.
That is not my style. I always tell everyone that if you have a problem make sure that if society does not help it becomes their problem.
Also, I know enough about domestic abuse and all other abuse to say that victims are no less quilty I was a victim myself for some time, and I admit that it was all my fault because I was stupid/ignorant.
What part of “fuck off with your Pollyanna advice” do you not understand, you dumb cunt? Fuck off with this “please get help op” shit. I tried getting therapy and those stupid cucks didn’t do a thing. You white knighting for the cunt gender makes you as guilty as that failed species.>>11299
My sentiments exactly, this is what I tried to explain. And no, no female has ever been nice or whatever the fuck to me. I have had to sign up to jobs to ask them to please not have any of their female employees come into contact with me and of course, they still fucking would come near me. Fucking idiots. And no, no steam. I don’t use anything like that.
Women are still parasites who deserve every bad thing coming to them ever. Act like a fucking inhumane piece of shit, don’t be surprised men treat you like one and want you gone.
Then you need to keep trying because as I said, our mental health system is sorely lacking. Otherwise are you just going to keep wallowing in pathetic self-pity like the mother you hated so much? Your problems might’ve been caused by your mother but you still lingering on that resentment and especially blaming it on unrelated people is your own problem and the only thing that can improve you is yourself. If you can’t be optimistic and learn to let go of your hate and insist on being miserable then the onus of all your current problems is entirely on you. You can’t keep crying about your past. Well, I mean you can, but it just makes you the same kind of whiny bitch you claim your mother was. If you refuse to take steps to better yourself and would rather just blame random unrelated people as a scapegoat then your life will stay shitty regardless of how much you blame others (even though it’s your own doing). As they say, you see one asshole and you’re looking at an asshole. If all you see are assholes you’re looking in a mirror.
“Mental health society is sorely lacking”
Gee whiz, no fucking shit, sherlock. Also, it’s not worth telling people to get help when you state obvious shit like that. No amount of therapy is fucking worth it. I would rather despise femacites and keep hating them until they fucking rightfully die for all the shit they’ve done than bother trying to respect and love those evil ass, victim card playing, hypocritical walking cunts.
Again, FUCK OFF WITH YOUR STUPID ASS OPTIMISTIC POLLYANNA ADVICE. IT DOES NOT FUCKING HELP. IT DOES THE FUCKING OPPOSITE!
It’s better than doing nothing. Or what, you’d rather be a miserable whiny bitch just like your mother for the rest of your life? You don’t realize (or perhaps you do) that you yourself are “an evil ass, victim card playing, hypocritical walking cunt” by doing this.
Get help, and from a male therapist. Tell him all the things you think about women that you posted here. You could also tell the receptionist this first so that you could hopefully get a free appointment.
Fuck off. With your Pollyanna advice. You fucking annoying ass, soyboy cuck that white knights for the femacites. I tried getting help from one and they didn’t do shit to try and help. They just sat there and spoon fed me shit that I knew wouldn’t help in the long run.
So please, do me a favor and FUCK OFF. Stop fucking giving me advice to get help when the mental health assistance IS NOT WORTH A FUCKING DOG TURD. Go back to reddit and worship the females there, you fucking beta bitch.
What did they say and how did it not help? I can give you advice because unlike you my life is not at the bottom.
>>11309>It’s better than doing nothing.
Interesting. I would suspect that you are a woman from that claim because in my own experience I noticed that women usually have exactly this idea, that "doing something is always better than doing nothing" regardless how pointless and stupid is what they are doing.
But in reality, doing nothing is often better and the only situation where it is worth doing something is when you enjoy that work, in other situations, it will be just pointless extra suffering.>>11310
From all your talks I am starting to get the impression that this hate for women is just the last meaning of life you have which prevents you from collapsing into depression.
But it would be beneficial to find some other hobbies as well.
and even considering that hate you at least could try to streamline your ideology to make it sound less stupid.
Nope, I'm the same guy who said I was a dude earlier. And I never said doing something is always better. It's better when your life has sunken as low as his has. Also, if you haven't noticed, he himself chastised his mother for doing nothing yet here he is doing the exact same thing as her. I've noticed pretty much every post of his has been projection. Parasite is his favorite word that he's been throwing out left and right yet from the sounds of it it's very likely he's on government welfare.
The whole point of being a victim is that you couldn’t do anything about it. How could you have stood up for yourself if I go to your house and burn it down while you were sleeping? How could you have stood up for yourself if you were out shopping and a bomb from a terrorist attack blew you up before you could realize?
You then contradict yourself by saying Elliot was an unfortunate victim and it was society’s fault we didn’t treat him better (which it wasn’t. He had a loving family, he was well off and had people to help him. He was just an entitled and antisocial douche) even though you just said that the blame is on the victims.
What I noticed that his posts are just copies of texts created by other people without any of his own experience at all. Nothing what he said has any relevance to his life.
We even don't know why his mother was so horribly bad and I suspect she wasn't really that horrible, she probably just divorced and ruined his life by eliminating father from his life. What is a common situation. It could even happen to me but it didn't.
So all that hatred is nothing but an excuse to feel better.
Exactly. The two negative about his mom he's been repeating throughout the whole topic is that she "nags" and that "she didn't do anything" when people were doing bad things. Meanwhile he acts as if murdering your wife is a justified reaction to the above. From there you could probably deduce what's really going on.
>>11315>The whole point of being a victim is that you couldn’t do anything about it. How could you have stood up for yourself if I go to your house and burn it down while you were sleeping? How could you have stood up for yourself if you were out shopping and a bomb from a terrorist attack blew you up before you could realize?
We are not talking about that kind of victim but rather about victims of repeat abuse. not avoid victims of terrorism or robbery.
and if you are being bullied that is because you do not stand up against the bully. because no batter how strong is the bully you can take some weapon or resort to dirty tactic. Like for example what prevents you from sneaking on the bully kicking his balls and then bludgeoning him until he cannot stand and at least has a few broken bones. Let's say you have an abusive father who beats you. what prevents you from taking baseball bat or steel pipe and smashing his knee making him unable to walk for a month or two? or better break his fingers and he will not be able to beat you anymore. A simple and effective way to end abuse by 100% certainty.
You being abuser cannot prevent this from happening if you are living with your victim or meet them routinely. That is living in constant fear. An abuser will only choose a victim who is willing to be a victim.
>You then contradict yourself by saying Elliot was an unfortunate victim and it was society’s fault we didn’t treat him better (which it wasn’t. He had a loving family, he was well off and had people to help him. He was just an entitled and antisocial douche) even though you just said that the blame is on the victims.
One guy did good research about Eliot's life and other stuff. You should watch it if interested. He even got hacked emails from Eliot's family where you can see his conversations with his mother and father. It was anything but a loving family and he was not doing that well financially.
Actually he was a pretty good nice boy who was extremely shy, what was the reason why he had no friends (except in childhood when his stepmother forcefully introduced him to a group of kids and later when someone approached him at school.) later he was living totally alone without any friends. And it is pretty normal that he went insane from all that loneliness. If you have someone who is lonely expect bad things to happen.
And in the end, he was just like the op surviving purely on hate, fantasizing how he will destroy and enslave all women who actually never did anything wrong to him besides totally ignoring him, they did not even hurt him or reject him because he never even came close to any one of them. Because of that hate, he could not even go to his college and lots all remaining chances to ever make any friends male or female.
It could be all avoided if women were not that passive and at least someone approached him, said hi, and offered her friendship the same way as men approach women.
or if I could talk to him and explain to him that he is not really missing anything and the resin he does not have a girlfriend is because he does not even want it.
because of his lack of experience, he was just living in the fantasy world imagining that other people get something so great what he will never have.
Of course, I do not blame his victims individually but I blame them as being part of society who did not help him and believe that this society is right. Funny enough his victims were mostly just the same unfortunate people as he himself. he was planning to kill few gorgeous bimbos but because the dormitory door was closed killed just few ugly girls passing by who probably would happily date him if he said "hi" instead of shooting them.
You’re way oversimplifying it. What if the bully has friends or connections who’d kill you if you do that? What if the power discrepancy really is that huge, for example if your father was ex-military? It’s not that simple.
You act like it’s normal and not his fault for Elliot Rodgers to become a hate driven lunatic due to being lonely when no, the vast majority of us lonely people don’t shoot people, don’t broadly hate people. Meanwhile it IS normal for abuse victims to have been so mentally, physically, and psychologically beaten down by their abusers that they are terrified and psychologically incapable of fighting back, even if they were physically able to (which they often times aren’t).
If you want to understand deeper meaning you have to see it from all perspectives and not just the perspectives of someone who chooses violence.
>>11318>No, no, Eliot was not a sociopath he was just a very shy and neglected boy who was totally ignored by everyone as if he does not exist.
He received no help from society so his behavior and hate is totally justified.
>Actually he was a pretty good nice boy who was extremely shy, what was the reason why he had no friends
>It could be all avoided if women were not that passive and at least someone approached him, said hi, and offered her friendship the same way as men approach women.
or if I could talk to him and explain to him that he is not really missing anything and the resin he does not have a girlfriend is because he does not even want it.
because of his lack of experience, he was just living in the fantasy world imagining that other people get something so great what he will never have.
>Of course, I do not blame his victims individually but I blame them as being part of society who did not help him and believe that this society is right. Funny enough his victims were mostly just the same unfortunate people as he himself. he was planning to kill few gorgeous bimbos but because the dormitory door was closed killed just few ugly girls passing by who probably would happily date him if he said "hi" instead of shooting them.
“After turning 18, Rodger began rejecting the mental health care that his family provided, and he became increasingly isolated. He said that he was unable to make friends, although acquaintances said that he rebuffed their attempts to be friendly. Screenwriter Dale Launer, who was a friend of the Rodger family, stated that he had counseled Rodger on approaching and befriending women, but that Rodger did not follow the advice. He said in an interview, "I first met [Rodger] when he was aged eight or nine and I could see then that there was something wrong with him. I'm not a psychologist, but looking back now he strikes me as someone who was broken from the moment of conception … You were hoping that inside there was a normal kid wanting to come out – that he would overcome his shyness and bloom in some way. What became evident, only after reading the manifesto and watching that video, was that what he was actually hiding was this horribly twisted little monster."
In July 2011, Rodger followed a couple he was jealous of out of a Starbucks in Goleta and threw coffee on them.:87 In a later incident, he splashed his latte on two girls sitting at a bus stop in Isla Vista for not smiling back at him.:100 In July 2012, Rodger purchased a Super Soaker, filled it with orange juice, and used it to spray a group playing kickball at Girsh Park.:106–107
Referring to an incident that occurred on July 20, 2013, Rodger wrote that "he tried to shove girls at a party over a ten-foot ledge after being mocked but failed", and instead other boys pushed him over it. He said that he "felt a snap in [his] ankle, followed by a stinging pain" and "tried to get away from there as fast as [he] could". Realizing that he left his Gucci sunglasses at the party, Rodger returned to retrieve them but the "same people he had tangled with before began mocking him and calling him names, then dragged him into the driveway to beat him up". One of Rodger's neighbors said that "he saw Rodger come home, crying" and said that Rodger claimed that he was going to kill the men involved, and kill himself. Rodger told investigating officers that he had been assaulted, but they determined that he might have been the aggressor.[76”
Again, at no point did he say or insinuate his father did anything to him and insisted he saw what she was doing and he finally snapped. He also insiuates she is still living and that his mother may have witnessed over and over again some form of abuse he was suffering and allowed it to happen. The father may have been niave and or a bit weaker himself until that moment when he found out. Maybe he was being abused by a female or male (probably even both and his mother) in a circle of continual physical, mental and sexual abuse?
There is no real need to bash this individual, nor to put words in their mouths. Even though I explained how I didnt want him to list the things that may have happened to him here, it seems to me like some of you all are already bashing him with the bits and pieces you have and the pieces you have mis interpreted here. Op, please maybe explain a little bit more I think I understand a bit more.
>>11319>If you want to understand deeper meaning you have to see it from all perspectives and not just the perspectives of someone who chooses violence.
Don't worry I fully understand that deeper meaning and that is exactly why I say that it is a choice to be a victim.
Unless your father of bully is an invincible superman you can always defeat him. sure you may fail and you may be horribly hurt yourself but you still can try and succeed with pretty much high probability. You have enough time to make a good plan.
Here is one story tod By Jordan Peterson:
when he visited prison he met one very good innocent-looking inmate who was thin and otherwise pretty weak in comparison to other muscular baboons and also looked pretty intelligent. Could make a perfect victim for all those baboons. but he was regarded as the most dangerous inmate in the prison nobody dared to touch because one "nigger who" did something to him ended losing his leg when this innocent guy sneaked hin in the shower and bludgeoned one of his legs with the steel pipe until it turned into body pulp beyond any possibility of repair.
after that NONODY dared to touch that guy and he is most respected of all in that prison. Yes anyone can kill him easily, but they know that if he will stay alive the one who hurt him will likely die or lose some limbs. and will have to walk in fear for the rest of the life imagining that guy sneaking from behind.
Or another story where a woman smashed a knee of her abusive husband during one of their fights, and this changed their relationships forever.
I also had to deal with some bullies at school, and even while being to fight normally I almost bite off a finger for one of them and managed to put an arm of another into the cast, also I hit one in the balls for what I was brought to the chairman office and had to listen to a lecture how I could make the poor guy infertile for life.
Even when being about 5 when mom spanked me with the belt as revenge I destroyed all belts with scissors.
Yes if you are only 5 you may boot be able to defeat an adult because you are not even that smart, but at that age of 10-12 you are fully capable to deal with anyone.
The real reason why victims lose against bullies is that the one whose life is worse less will always win. Bullies are bullies because their life is worth nothing they have nothing to lose.
while victims usually have too much to lose to take a risk of fighting.
As yes you can easily defeat your abusive father or mother or husband and maybe even get away with that because they will not even file a report to the police
But if you break your father's husband's arms he will be unable to work for a month or maybe forever and then who will be paying all your bills EEh?
Another reason is that ok, you can show your bully their place. For example, you can handcuff your father while he is sleeping then hold him tied and helpless constantly abusing him to the moment when the though military guy will start sobbing like a baby begging you to forgive him for everything he did and then what? Now you are the master of the house all responsibilities are on you and you are not ready to take them.
The same situation with school bullies yes you can defeat them and it is not that hard, but you will have consequences, you will be expelled from school possibly put in jail or whatever else. because you cannot claim self-defence here you will be an obvious attacker who severely harmed an innocent person who did nothing wrong to you. From that moment you will be known as a psychopath and your bully will be a poor victim.
So yes it is not simple but nothing is simple. It does not change the fact that you chose to be a victim because of various reasons.
In the end life is the game of "chicken" the one who is ready to bet more wins unless no winner is left
victims are just people who are not willing to bet enough in this game.
Also, another reason is that when you are child you don't really know that much about things and you can make mistakes where you hurt those who rather should be your friends.
Now I always regret that I was trying to beat girls who were teasing me and did other stupid things being too selfish and inconsiderate simply because at that age I was just thinking about myself.
Maybe some of the bullies also could be my friends if I knew how to act properly at that time.
I was just thinking to give you a link to "Mumkey Jones" youtube channel where he did the most extensive research on Eliot and all of that stuff told about him.
Unfortunately, his channel was erased and video lost. so I can't give any good evidence to support my claims.
The stuff you say is somewhat right, but it is a matter of interpretation and context
what I say is essentially this" I first met [Rodger] when he was aged eight or nine and I could see then that there was something wrong with him. I'm not a psychologist, but looking back now he strikes me as someone who was broken from the moment of conception … You were hoping that inside there was a normal kid wanting to come out – that he would overcome his shyness and bloom in some way."
he really was a good kid in the beginning but because of all what happened and not getting any help he turned in what you call "sociopath" (in fact even in psychiatry it is believed that sociopaths are people who suffered from abuse or other issues in their childhood)
Considering that your source says
"Rodger’s family was caring and attentive, said family friend Adam Krentzman. Peter Rodger, the father of the attacker, “is the sweetest, nicest, most genuine, caring person, and he did everything he could,” Krentzman said."
I can assure you that this is an unadulterated lie.
both Eliot's mother and father were 2 scumbags where father was an idiot Holywood producer waking shitty movies, and mother was a golddigger who essentially milked her former husband and her lovers. It was well described by Mumkey Jones where he presented hacked emails from his father.
Yes, all that stuff about him attacking people spilling coffee on girls is true. But that was happening when he already turned insane and it was already too late. At that point, Eliot probably needed psychiatric hospitalization or at least very intensive therapy already because he was nonfunctional as a human being.
Either way, the main issue here is that what Eliot did has little relevance to his hate, it was a suicide which he did because he was about to become homeless so he just had some fun before death.
>>11322>There is no real need to bash this individual, nor to put words in their mouths. Even though I explained how I didnt want him to list the things that may have happened to him here, it seems to me like some of you all are already bashing him with the bits and pieces you have and the pieces you have mis interpreted here. Op, please maybe explain a little bit more I think I understand a bit more.
Good luck convincing the OP to tell more details. ;) It would be interesting to know.
I have seen such individuals on youtube. The common denominators is that they are raised by single mother possibly even still living together. lacking any kind of social skills or work skills. their mother is nagging them that them are worthless, losers and they can't even say anything back because of fear to be kicked out of home in the same way like their father was kicked out. And since they lack any skill at all they cannot even survive alone.
In that situation there is very little possible to do to or help such a person. Because his life was essentially ruined by his mother leaving no hope at all.
Normal psychological counseling is not going to work here because those licensed government goons are just trying to brainwash their clients into becoming wage slaves and taxpayers as they are trained to do.
In this situation he needs to find a totally different and creative approach to solve his problems.
“Unless your father of bully is an invincible superman you can always defeat him. sure you may fail and you may be horribly hurt yourself but you still can try and succeed with pretty much high probability. You have enough time to make a good plan.”
This is something way easier said than done. One single fuck-up and you could be dead or worse. I’m not sure how you can expect a child to overpower an abusive father, especially if the father had people working with him. Which brings me to
“The real reason why victims lose against bullies is that the one whose life is worse less will always win. Bullies are bullies because their life is worth nothing they have nothing to lose.
while victims usually have too much to lose to take a risk of fighting.
As yes you can easily defeat your abusive father or mother or husband and maybe even get away with that because they will not even file a report to the police
But if you break your father's husband's arms he will be unable to work for a month or maybe forever and then who will be paying all your bills EEh?”
You’re basing this all on a one-on-one fight and acting like this is a stereotypical bully situation you see on TV when it could be far different. Not all bullies are those insecure bullies who only bully because their lives are worthless. Some bullies are genuine evil sociopaths with high connections. The bully could be a high ranking gang member where if you touch him his gang will kill you no matter what you do. The bully could be the kid of a rich family who could easily silence you and have bodyguards around him.
And your abusive father or husband can easily be so violent that if you did stand up against him he’d later kill you or have friends to kill you.
Your Jordan Peterson story is just a single anecdote and he lucked out that none of the other inmates were more insane and stronger than him or formed a gang that could’ve easily stamped him out. Although that Jordan Peterson story also helps prove my point. What if that small innocent-looking dude was your bully? If your only advice is to keep growing more insane and stronger than your bully then eventually you’re going to hit your limit. This isn’t an anime power level. Most abuse victims can’t just keep getting more “insane”. That’s not even going into how telling someone to “go insane” is already bad advice. Even if they do go insane they just ruined their chances to have a normal non-violent life. So that’s another way abuse victims are forced to suffer. Either they stay being abused or they’re forced to sink into becoming crazed and violent themselves to survive. You can see how most people don’t want to be the latter? This is entirely on the abuser’s fault. Abuse victims shouldn’t need to choose between being abused and becoming brutally violent. You admit yourself there are consequences so it’s not as simple. However, the entire point is that you shouldn’t HAVE to make such a choice. Imagine if I kidnapped you and forced you to choose between either killing yourself or killing a loved one (or if you don’t have a loved one, all your money and property). Now you can technically say you had a choice there but the whole point is the fact is that you shouldn’t have had to make that choice in the first place. The entirety of at least 99.99% of the blame is on me for putting you in that situation and not you because you “chose” to kill your loved ones/give your entire life’s possessions to me.
I see. That's an interesting thing to consider but wikipedia, with its reliable sources and multiple citations seem a bit more reliable than a youtube channel whose videos have been deleted. I'm not sure if I can consider that valid evidence rather than a contrarian alternative takes which are very popular on the internet. I don't take flat earth theorists seriously and I don't believe you do either.
>>11327>Even if they do go insane they just ruined their chances to have a normal non-violent life.
Yes exactly. And that is the choice either you endure the abuse or you ruin your chances to have normal life which you probably never have anyway. In this situation level of your optimism will be the main factor that defines how much abuse you are willing to take believing that eventually, it will get better.
>This is entirely on the abuser’s fault.
The problem with this belief is that the abuser is not a human being with whom you can reason so it is irrelevant whose fault it is. It is the same as the force of nature. you do not blame bear which attacks you, you fight or run as you can and later you do not break to everyone that some evil bear ripped of your leg. you do not go on rallies demanding bears to stop attacking people. Or demanding hurricanes to stop demolishing houses.
So here the situation is exactly the same. You have a problem and you have to solve it. if you failed to solve it that's your fault, nobody's else.
>Imagine if I kidnapped you and forced you to choose between either killing yourself or killing a loved one (or if you don’t have a loved one, all your money and property). Now you can technically say you had a choice there but the whole point is the fact is that you shouldn’t have had to make that choice in the first place. The entirety of at least 99.99% of the blame is on me
Same here. You are irrelevant. In that situation, I am facing a problem and I have to solve it. Blaming you or reasoning with you will not do anything useful for me. In that situation, I can only think about how I can kick you in the balls or poke your eye or just try to kill myself and people I love painlessly to avoid unnecessary suffering. If I can't do anything at all I would just drop my pants and start to jerk off with hope to cum before you kill me.
Either way, you are entirely out of the picture here.
>Even if they do go insane they just ruined their chances to have a normal non-violent life. So that’s another way abuse victims are forced to suffer.
that is actually the main life skill you need to survive. you must be able to control your inner psychopath and use it properly.
this is a skill which everyone has to be told in their childhood to become respectable human beings who are neither psychopaths neither victims of psychopaths.
It is not necessary to always kill your bully, most often just giving a hint that you will give more trouble than benefit is enough
>>11329>Same here. You are irrelevant. In that situation, I am facing a problem and I have to solve it. Blaming you or reasoning with you will not do anything useful for me. In that situation, I can only think about how I can kick you in the balls or poke your eye or just try to kill myself and people I love painlessly to avoid unnecessary suffering. If I can't do anything at all I would just drop my pants and start to jerk off with hope to cum before you kill me.
Either way, you are entirely out of the picture here.
On the contrary I would have complete control over you. In fact, everything would be done by my liking. Even the choices I give you would be nothing but an illusion on your end because in reality these are all my choices. I'm the one who would've given you the ultimatum out of my own sick games. If you are paralyzed, incapacitated, or immobilized then there's nothing you can really do about anything other than pray someone stops me.
>The problem with this belief is that the abuser is not a human being with whom you can reason so it is irrelevant whose fault it is. It is the same as the force of nature. you do not blame bear which attacks you, you fight or run as you can and later you do not break to everyone that some evil bear ripped of your leg. you do not go on rallies demanding bears to stop attacking people. Or demanding hurricanes to stop demolishing houses.
So here the situation is exactly the same. You have a problem and you have to solve it. if you failed to solve it that's your fault, nobody's else.
This is the crux of the issue and there are multiple things that need to be addressed here. First, unlike hurricanes, humans and even bears have culpability. If a bear eats someone we hunt and put down the bear because a. they are an active threat now that they have a taste for humans and could potentially pass that down to their kids. and b. to scare future bears from attacking humans. This approach is part of why animal predators are so averse to attacking humans. Likewise abusers should get arrested, shamed, and have any authority taken away from them.
However, when it comes to victims, an unannounced freak hurricane is not the fault of the people hurt by them. It's just a tragedy. A surprise attack by a hungry bear even if a camper has been vigilant and armed as possible is not the camper's fault. It is the bear's. Likewise it is not the fault of the abuse victim when they're at the complete mercy of the abuser, it is the abuser's. There can be some subjective give and take when it comes to victims who have more power who may have been able to fight back more if they tried but the primary fault is still the abuser. That's just common sense.
Great news. I found those videos reuploaded. after checking them again I have to say that his father was not really that bad, just a typical doormat. So lets say that what I was saying was not fully accurate
but eliot's mother is the main reason for all what happened as she used her son as a pawn in fight with her husband.
Funny enough my mother did the same and it worked when I was just a little boy but eventually I managed to see it even if this ruined my relationship with grandmother whom my mother hated with all her heart and soul for absolutely no reason.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-a9pjsrp3U
1 Elliot Rodger's Never-Before-Seen Emailshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nxZXNDUYYE
2 How the Separation of Elliot Rodger’s Parents Impacted His Lifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRBbgKJcbAQ
3 Elliot’s Disastrous Trip to Moroccohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grOtik-qlZ0
4 Elliot’s Big Blowup with his Father and Soumayahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgifncTngc0
5 Elliot Rodger's Poor Self Image & Yahoo Answers History
The Day of Retribution: Elliot Rodger VS Reality 1&2 partshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiQ0OimdFX8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU2bZ-c4kR4
Are there a text source for this where I can read it? Not really a fan of several minute long videos.
>>11331>On the contrary I would have complete control over you. In fact, everything would be done by my liking. Even the choices I give you would be nothing but an illusion on your end because in reality these are all my choices. I'm the one who would've given you the ultimatum out of my own sick games. If you are paralyzed, incapacitated, or immobilized then there's nothing you can really do about anything other than pray someone stops me.
Yes, you have complete control over my body or life but not over my mind. If I am paralyzed then it is all meaningless because I can not take any actions and your demands and choices are pointless. so being rational person you will not ask me to do anything I can't do.
If you want to use me in some ways you need to allow me to have some freedom like if you ask me to kill my family you probably need to give me a gun or something and then I have the freedom to do whatever I like in that context.>>11331> A surprise attack by a hungry bear even if a camper has been vigilant and armed as possible is not the camper's fault. It is the bear's. Likewise it is not the fault of the abuse victim when they're at the complete mercy of the abuser, it is the abuser's.
well if you blame abuser in the same way as a bear or hurricane I can not object, but I assumed we were talking about a different thing.
although in that situation you should not cover yourself with honey and then wander in the forest saying that "I have a right to dress however I like and bears should not attack me"
You have to take appropriate precautions against those things and gross negligence in regards to your safety will be on your conscience
do not misunderstand me that I am always blaming victims, victims need help, but they must also show some effort to deal with the situation as well rather than bragging about their suffering and doing nothing at all. If I see that victim can do something but refuses to do it then I declare that it is the choice.
in those videos, he reads Eliot's and his family's email conversations.
You probably can just pause the video and read them yourself :)
I can quickly mention that in the 2 video there are conversations between Eliot's parents where you can see how his mother is using the nasty manipulative tactic against her former husband.
and the email of his stepmother where everything is pretty much described in one post in the part 4 https://youtu.be/grOtik-qlZ0?t=210
the rest is not relevant. but the last 2 are interesting to watch.
Well besides the other people, bears and bees, this is one individual's life and I believe he wants to vent and have his story told. Just paciently waiting until he does.
>>11335>Yes, you have complete control over my body or life but not over my mind. If I am paralyzed then it is all meaningless because I can not take any actions and your demands and choices are pointless. so being rational person you will not ask me to do anything I can't do. If you want to use me in some ways you need to allow me to have some freedom like if you ask me to kill my family you probably need to give me a gun or something and then I have the freedom to do whatever I like in that context.
Well, that's the point. As the one in control, I'm the one responsible for everything. I could do a trick question and have it so that the choice you pick is the one you DON'T want. Or I could just be straightforward. There's no way for you to be certain. Pleading for your life could just make more sadistic and enjoy your torment. Or perhaps it could make me feel sorry for you to let you go. Being defiant or not giving a shit what I do to you could impress me. Or it could >>11335
exasperate me and just make me want to torture you more. This is why you can't blame victims for not knowing what to do. The entirety or 99% of the blame is on the perpetrator. They're the ones in control of almost everything.
>well if you blame abuser in the same way as a bear or hurricane I can not object, but I assumed we were talking about a different thing. although in that situation you should not cover yourself with honey and then wander in the forest saying that "I have a right to dress however I like and bears should not attack me" You have to take appropriate precautions against those things and gross negligence in regards to your safety will be on your conscience.
I think we're coming to an understanding. Yeah, we must've been on different pages before because I am referring to blaming the abuser in the same vein as blaming a bear or a power outage. Like sure, you could've backed things up, maybe had things printed down so you can still work on it on paper, maybe have backup battery. But that's still a lot of extra work and wasted time that's no fault of your own. The power outage is still at fault and reasonable bosses will generally be understanding and put that into consideration. Of course if "power outages" keep happening all the time, then it's fair to get suspicious but taking advantages of excuses is another subject entirely.
Also, yeah there is also a difference between negligence/being the aggressor like your honey example and being an abuse victim solely because the abuser chose you due to no fault of your own. The latter is what I'm referring to.
>do not misunderstand me that I am always blaming victims, victims need help, but they must also show some effort to deal with the situation as well rather than bragging about their suffering and doing nothing at all. If I see that victim can do something but refuses to do it then I declare that it is the choice.
Then I am in agreement. I did mention there is some relative give and take with some people having a lot more options than others. And of course victims SHOULD try to do everything in their capacity to stand up for themselves. And after all, if no one knows about it, who can help them? The first step is in getting people to know about their predicament. But yeah, my argument is that you can't blame victims when things are just outside of their capacity and that most of the blame still lies on the abuser in the first place even if the victim is a moron (which I agree you can give partial blame to).