This is not the best opener
If you want to spawn an honest
You seem to simply want 'echos'
of your own opinion.
A few points:
First, to answer your question, no. I do not despise women. Any more than I despise LGBT people, people of colour, children, the elderly, etc. That is not to say I like everyone. There I women I like, women I dislike, just as much as there are men I like and dislike. It's an individual thing and to make any statement as broad as "All X are…" just seems foolish.
Second, let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that you are right and women as a species are the spawn of Satan. Why are you putting so much energy into hating them and obsessing over your hatred? Do you really not have better things to do with your time and energy? If women are as bad as you say, do they really deserve so much of your focus? You can be damn sure they don't think about you as often or intently as you think about them, if at all, so who is being hurt by your hatred other than yourself? Personally I don't have the energy to hate anyone. Sure, I dislike and choose to avoid some people but hatred requires passion and I don't feel like spending my passion on those I don't like and who probably don't care what I think of them anyway!
Thirdly, I'm guessing your feelings towards women come from some kind of experiences early on (as you state you have "always" hated them). Perhaps your mother was abusive or you were raised by a single dad who passed on his own bitterness? In any case, to say you hate women because of specific bad women is to let them off too lightly, practically giving them an excuse. If a person, man or woman, young or old, is bad and behaves badly that is squarely on them - to say they were bad because they were a woman is to take away their responsibility. If all women are bad then no individual woman can help her behaviour - do you really want to give them that excuse? Work out where your "hatred" comes from and, if you can't let it go, at least focus it where it's deserved.
Finally, kinda to return to an earlier point, quit torturing yourself by obsessing over your hatred. You don't like the company of women? Fine, avoid them where possible as long as you can be civil when your paths cross. Nobody is demanding you love all or any women. Find something else to fill your life, something constructive.
I'm not saying you're wrong, even 'though I disagree with you. Maybe women ARE all evil but so what? You're not going to change them so shrug and move on.
Peace out x
It's just you mate. Grow up!
I can just repeat what I already said before and what >>10595
Regardless how horrible or evil are women, this is not a reason to hate them.
Hating something implies your obsession with that thing. And it is proven by the fact that you cannot even make a single post about anything else than women and how you hate them. It looks as if there is nothing else in your head.
You cannot even respond intelligently besides repeating same statements over and over.
Telling someone to grow up is not a mature response.
Never said it was :-P But now I'm not inviting you to my birthday party any more!
Remove this dumbfuck teenager thread. I'm serious. Mods, delete this embarrassing bullshit.
OP is an INCEL
How does hating women equate to being an incel? Not everyone who hates women are incels and not all incels hate women.
"Incel" is a word that's been over-used to the point it's lost all meaning, much like "Cuck" that some users here seem so fond of.
What the OP is without doubt is damaged - whether that be by a (specific) woman or women or by other men who indoctrinated him we cannot say.
At the risk of sounding like Yoda, he needs to let go of his hatred. Maybe in time he'll learn to form friendships with women, maybe not, but if he does not let it go, the hatred is going to destroy him.
This is pure speculation but I would imagine, given his apparent one-track mind, that he does not have many (if any) male friends either which will only fuel his feelings of isolation and disenfranchisement.
What the OP needs is a hug and the chance to scream or cry out whatever pain is fuelling his hatred so, hopefully, he can begin to heal.
This is an 18+ board. Ban OP and delete the thread.
Well while it is inaccurate word "cuck" is about guys who are willing to serve women and buy their attention and sex with their work and resources. they feel pleasure from being used and serving women.
for a hardcore cuck the fact that woman took his gift already feels orgasmic. And he needs nothing back, because he is a good guy who only wants to do good things for sake of being good LOL
But usually they will want something back and this will irritate women who expect that men should be giving them stuff without expecting anything back.
OP is essentially complaining that women are not adhering to the "contract" properly, as he paid her and she does not fall in love with him at all. Or he gave her chocolate bar she ate it and refused to suck his dick this way scamming him.
And this is why he hates them.
Obviously hugs and friendships will not help here and only make things worse because hugging/being friends with someone who thinks that you are disgusting/repulsive is not extremely pleasant and makes you hate them (or yourself) even more.
I didn't mean friendships with women to begin with - OP just clearly needs some human contact to break him out of his one-person echo chamber!
I don't think he needs that either. He does not look like a person who needs such kind of human contact that much (or else he would just pay for it like most do), but who knows.
Most likely after making few posts how he hates women he will calm down, and recognize how stupid it was.
Not at all, I tend to judge people on an individual basis like a rational person. I don't hate women, I just love the idea of them being slaughtered like livestock.
"or he would just pay for it"
Onix, again I say, I disagree with most of what I read by you but sometimes you put forth what I find just so peculiarly pragmatic whether I disagree or not that there's something charming.
There's a massive difference between paid-for contact and genuine affection and intimacy and when I say he needs a hug I'm not talking about anything sexual - just something platonic but loving. A bro-hug if you like. Something that makes him feel safe to release his trauma.
OP I can tell you're a teenager or a shut-in because if you had an ounce of life experience you'd understand 1) that you are projecting your own fears and inadequacies onto women, and 2) that, like men, women are varied and multifaceted human beings. Some are good on the whole, some are bad all around like you, most are somewhere in between just trying to get through the day. You've probably never suffered a day in your life so maybe there's hope for you after you live a little, but I doubt it.
And you >>10641
, Horus, need to recognize that there are worldviews and character traits you can't hug away. People are moldable, but some worldviews — like those of the slave owners — are tied in to a person's ego and cannot easily be changed. Some character traits — again see the slave owners — arise from those rotten worldviews, and others are congenital. Narcissism is thought to be mostly congenital, and most mass shooters are thought to be narcissists. Psychopathy is thought to be entirely congenital. Either way, congenital or not, you can't always hug it better. Ted Bundy was incurable, and most slave owners were all but incurable.
Maybe OP's curable, maybe he's not, but you'd need to do more than just hug him. He has an entire worldview that would need to be changed, and it's tied in to his ego and his image of himself. Even if he were the sort of person who actively tries to understand the world — and he's not — you'd still need to spend a while convincing him, not just altering his emotional state. As it is there's probably little you can do. You could gather up stories of heroic, self-sacrificing women, women who went to war zones to care for the innocent, women who invented new medicines, and that shit would bounce right off him because his hatred of women props up his ego.
You think the guys at Bayer pharmaceuticals, who knowingly sold HIV-infected blood transfusions to hospitals around the world, could be hugged better? Not all shittiness derives from trauma. Those guys were intelligent and calculating, and the lives they destroyed didn't keep them up at night because they were wealthy egotists who saw themselves as apart from and above the rest of humankind. I should use the present tense, actually, since they're still alive and still rich.
True, not everyone can but some can and OPs views have to come from somewhere. He didn't just wake up one day and decide to despise women. To me he does not sound actively evil, he sounds damaged, in pain. Call it intuition if you like but he sounds like he has been starved of love and maybe, just maybe, a little genuine kindness could help him onto a better path. Maybe it wouldn't work but maybe it would.
Yes, I'm an old hippie!
Well, that depends on your dominance and submissiveness(aka agreeableness) levels, homophobia and sex drive.
For example for me being hugged by some superior figure does not feel that good or safe, it makes me feel low because I don't want my life to depend on someone else. Hugging someone inferior or weaker than me is pretty pleasant as an expression of my power. If we both are on the same level this starts to feel sexual. As if we both are in a good mood it should continue into something more pleasant
So to cure someone dominant, you need not make him safe but to let him make someone else safe and put him in the situation when someone depends on him not when he depends on someone.>>10644
I think nobody really cares what women do in war or how they save kittens from the burning houses. That is cuck thinking in the first place when you care more about the world more than you care about yourself.
What matters is what those women do for you and what they think about you. >>10647
this actually happens most of the time when you find out how the things work
and that you will never get what you really want.
You either get into depression or into this angered state
so maybe it is not really that bad because it is better than depression
The next step getting out of that state is to become cynic.
As the OP, I’m not a teenager to those wondering. I’m an adult and I just hate women. It’s nothing that big.>>10637
I see what you mean. Any reasons you hate women/cunts?
Umm… he specifically said he DOESN'T hate women - he just has a kink (like most of us on this site). You seem to be seeing what you want to see rather than what people are actually saying.
You say your hating women is not a big deal but it seems to be a big deal for you! What else is going on in your life? Do you have hobbies? Do you work? What's your social life like?
I don’t really have a social life much. I stay at home since I don’t like going out. My hobbies are video games and writing. Unable to work due to being NEET for almost ten years (can’t afford community college). I have a hatred of women due to my mother being abusive and due to society coddling them, whilst men suffer daily and witnessing her abuse my father was enough for me. I have thankfully never been asked out and don’t plan to because I don’t want to associate myself with such parasites. However, I am happy living alone because alone is where the heart is. I’m unable to form connections with people due to being neglected and sheltered.
I had an abusive mother too and it left me with a lot of issues. Seems I profiled you pretty accurately so my suggestion stands. I understand your difficulties in getting out etc but is there any way you could expand your circle even a little? Heck, go to AA-type support groups like in Fight Club - anything that gets you more human contact.
>>10655>>I see what you mean. Any reasons you hate women/cunts?
since you are asking that other people maybe you will tell us why you hate women yourself, but just please no more regurgitating of that INCEL/MGTOW crap. unless you admit that you are cuck
Tell us your own reasons not not some stuff you obviously could not care less.
I am totally sure you are not living with a girlfriend who treats you like shit you are not married to frigid and angry landwhale, you did not experienced divorce rape you do not pay alimony or child support and you are not a kind of person woud give a flying shit about those cucks who actually have to endure all that LOL
Probably women/girls did not even do anything bad to you ever where could not blame yourself or society. (except maybe female teachers who are often worst kind of people)
Like in my situation, when I can just hate my own ignorance for losing good opportunities, and actually hating girls at that time for something about what now I am dreaming to happen again.
This actually happens to many guys who actually get lucky and waste their luck in the worst possible way.
Why do I find this thread
amusing to read?
He actually gave a pretty clear account of himself above.
Looks like you told all that before I made my post.
If it is all about your mother as you describe you can't blame women, because your mother is by definition a special thing which has no equivalent in other people.
But considering other things it looks like you you are doing fine. So why all that hate? Do you want something to be diffrent?
>>10644>"You could gather up stories of heroic, self-sacrificing women, women who went to war zones to care for the innocent, women who invented new medicines, and that shit would bounce right off him because his hatred of women props up his ego.""
Dude thank you.
This dude doesn't care about reality. He'll blatantly bullshit, the 3 pronged type:
..insisting women haven't done as they have,
..and demanding that they do so, when they're obliged to take his orders, clearly,
..and further for berating them for doing what he says they haven't done and should be doing!
I can understand a degree of contempt- hey, even as a guy that thinks men aren't better, I've seen a nasty cunt on a bad day.
But Damn! Tell a pilot she isn't a pilot and should stay in the kitchen then get mad at her for being a house wife…
Shut-in with zero life experience hates all women because his mother abused him.
Delete the thread.
Both my parents abused me. My mom used to threaten to swerve our car off the road at high speed. I never hated all women. I left home at 18 and met some of the other four billion women on this planet, and it turns out lots of them are pretty great, but even before then I never hated all women. I never fell into that trap because I never saw other people as objects the way OP does. Abuse isn't enough to make someone think like OP.
People who see other people as objects do not hate those objects they use them and enjoy pretty good success ;)
Hating an object is pretty stupid idea so rethink your claims ;)
Onix, I don't respect you or value your opinion. This is the first time I've ever responded to one of your dumbfuck comments on this site.
You basically just said psychopaths cannot get angry at other people. It's so dumb it's just not worth responding to except to say how dumb it is.
There are people so stupid as to see others as objects and hate them.
This was really funny. You never responded to any of my comments but decided to respond to the one which is not worth responding LOL
Oh well, thanks for a laugh but I will not bother arguing.>>10678
yes, maybe some are.
But usually, it is not like that :)
Onix, you dumb narcissist, there is no argument. Don't stand there in the corner giggling to yourself about how you COULD argue but it's not worth your time. There is no argument. All I'd have to do is post one video of an angry psychopath, and the whole discussion would be over. All your thoughts are as bad as this, just bullshit you arrived at by pure logic without observing the world around you. You'd have scoffed at Copernicus, you fucking nerd. This is why I ignore you, as far as I've seen you have nothing intelligent to say.
Can we please delete this fucking thread?
Oh, don't think I am not arguing because I am valuing my time that much. It is just that I did not expect you to reply to what I will say anyway.
You and this beautiful pervert dislike me not because I am dumb but because I have diffrent moral values. So your augments will be funny for me at best and my arguments will be incomprehensible for you as well.
Unfortunately no. Sorry I haven’t responded. I’m unable to reach out because I’m unable to drive and am housebound. Due to my trauma and phobia of women (gynophobia), I not only have a phobia of them, but an intense dislike that ranges. In the last year or so, I joined some forums and websites dedicated to being anti-female and it helped me.
A little gift from me TheHornyRock to all you haters out there!
Let's hate them together!
I have to take my words, back as being irrelevant, because this is not that kind of hate which we all expected to be.>>10692
next time better explain all that before it turns into several page discussion.
Thank you. I have good reasons to hate them such as developing a phobia from abuse, to witnessing my father endure abuse, to society coddling females all whilst men suffer. If anything, it should be the opposite where men are valued and women are aborted on a daily basis.
You hate the cartoon of women that exists in your mind.
You are absolutely right! Women are only good for sex and work! Other than that they have no worth!
I think men should step-up and put women where they belong, as inferior slaves to men!
Imagine a world where women are sold and trained to serve man!
Thank you HornyRock!
>>10709>Imagine a world where women are sold and trained to serve man!
You mean the middle east and other Islamic world? LOL
You like hate sex?
I think it is not that much fun to have sex with someone you hate ;)
I rather prefer Al Bundy idea.http://www.rcade.pp.se/al.html
"a real man is the one who likes girls and hates women."
Thank you HornyRock your work liberated me! All women are worthless scum and deserve nothing except rape! You are a god!
Yeah this thread is owned by some hikikomori feminist trash
A species that is common in a world lead by men anyway
But then i also dont go to gurochan out of "hate" for women
It s all beautiful to me
So i guess im just sick and depressed
Not hateful lol
It s like cutting chickens.
Why do humanity think it is okay to cut what has flesh and blood anyway?
Obliterate this website. I can no longer enjoy the works posted here when I imagine cowardly, weak, infantile, disgusting little rats like HornyRock and OP posting it.
Unless this thread is deleted and these spineless, sniveling, worthless vermin banned (and their IPs posted publicly), this website deserves to disappear forever.
Of course, >>10709
are HornyRock samefagging, writing in identical voices because he's a fucking imbecile, so it would only be two IPs, HornyRock's and OP's.
I am not just being dramatic, I would actually buy a couple plane tickets and murder HornyRock in real life, and maybe OP, if I could somehow figure out where they live. Truly despicable, subhuman wretches. It would be fun to skin you alive and tickle you with a blowtorch. Pull your eyes out past your eyelids and push a few needles into your pupils, right in the middle so you'd see the needle coming in. Drill a couple screws into your skull. Pour acid on you once in a while. Make a week of it, then burn you alive when I got bored.
I'm not the only one who feels like this. People like me are out there. People with righteous fury in their hearts and nothing to lose. Be careful what you say out there, one of us might overhear you. Be careful where you post. Don't let your comments on different websites sound the same or one of us will notice the speech patterns, gather all your posts together and triangulate where you live from the information you let slip. All we have to do is find your facebook.
People like you deserve to die, and someone just might see to it if you're not careful.
Can't finish reading that, I'm too busy pumping your mother's asshole! She's such a worthless bitch she only like it in the ass! That's all she's good for! Hail HornyRock!
For you the torture is simple!
You deserve to have all the women that you love and cherish fuck in front of you like the whores they really are, pissed and shitted upon until you get hard from it because you will! ;)
After that drown your cage in shit so you can die there, because you are allready full of it! ;)
is your place in the world!
hoookay this thread needs to die now!
Maybe this tread should be moved to RP board?
where you can fantasize ho you torture each other LOL
You need to die now!
There are two kinds of bitches, the ones who admit they like cock and the ones who deny they like cock and call themselves feminists but are still bitches!
So why is rape illegal? Because some sluts deny they are sluts? Rape is a good medicine for them and for society! Because it will make the sluts admit they love a dick inside them! Rape should be legal!
Wow, your post was like a pizza cutter. All edge, no point.
Ah, you got so hot off that.. but the torture you warrant is…
to be forgotten. Painful, sure, but slow and cold.
I still say this thread shouldn't be deleted. Idk that anyone here has argued against its premise more than me but please mods I find it too entertaining and saying of what this place is.
How much do those requesting its destruction contribute to these forums? Anything?
Okay, so people keep asking for this thread to be deleted, and here's why we're not deleting it:
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, when you guys give your counter-arguments, it makes this dipshits vitriol less valid.
Hating women is something that fills me with great pride. It allows me to live my life with my head held high.
If you could not lump MGTOW in with incels that would be great. Incels are not MGTOW, and MGTOW are not incels. To believe so indicates ignorance on understanding what MGTOW is and isn't. Don't drink liberal and conservatard propaganda koolaid.
While in theory there is a difference in practice it is a similar thing because both groups have nothing else to do than hate women.
MGTOW hate them because they tried to fuck women (usually for money) and got fucked up themselves instead.
and incells hate them because they can't fuck women(because they have no money) and have no clue how fucked up they will be later. LOL
Most likely later will turn into MGTOW at the age of 35 when they will succeed and find out what they were missing LOL
My theory is that you practically always start as incell and then become MGTOW.
people who managed to skip incell phase by some kind of lucky circumstances do not become MGTOW.
Sorry guys it's the truth!
What we should really hate is society not women! Besides the fact that western society created the "modern" woman, the bigots pupeteers that hide behind political courtains deny society the achievement of cloning!
Why is this important? Because if we would be able to create artificial companions the women's power will diminish.It will not be the woman who choses the males but vice-versa.It will be the man the one who can decide if he will choose a born woman or settle with a clone companion! And as such the modern "liberated" woman edifice constructed by the western culture, the embodiment of all the things we can hate about them, will crumble! And then the woman will return to it's normal pure form, something that can even be loved and protected!
Today's society corrupted women, turning many of them into abominations worthy of hate and enslaved men at the command of bigoted puppeteers!
If you truly want to make a change you must understand this and fight the real enemy!
thats better than hating women, but also ridiculous;
1. cloning does not work like that it just gives you plain baby which you still need to raise like child. It is not like computer game cloning where you make copies of existing items.
2 it will do nothing to the power of women because they do not really have any. They just do not give a shit about you.
Way more reasonable solution is just to become gay LOL like those prison inmates who fuck each other in absence of women.
PUA are pussy worshippers. There's no respect to dudes who blow their life away chasing pussy, believing that having sex with women determines and adds to ones value. Sex is great and all but do it a few hundred times and it loses its "magic". Personally I am thinking those who worship sex probably just don't get enough if it.
I can tell you as someone who was perfectly fine with women in terms of success, if you're shallow enough to define success as having sex, that it's really not all that great. Having a genuine connection with someone is incredible, if you can ever find it. Something that's extremely hard to do. MGTOW come from all walks of life. Modern dating is pretty trash, and unless your only goal is to get laid, there's not much purpose to chasing them. Most men who become MGTOW loved women at one point. Being burned, and treated like shit, and then bent over by the government and legal system is plenty good reason not to bother with relationships, on top of the fact that average modern women are personally just unpleasant to be around. But to be fair, most people we come across in our lives will never be worth an investment of time, not everyone is going to ever be all that compatible with each other at any super meaningful level.
Plenty of studies, plenty of personal experience,and plenty of statistics that show none of it is worth it. If the court system didn't punish men for getting divorced, getting married wouldn't be so dangerous and it might have been fine to invest into, but unfortunately investing into marriage as it is is a very dangerous game to play, and a man has everything to lose. Not to mention that most men on average won't be successful beyond maybe having sex a handful of times a year. Or the large group of young men who have never had sex and likely never will. The average male will never have access to the same amount of sex as an average female. If anything many men are better off realizing that with the way modern dating is, there's no point in them blowing energy into trying to get laid or date. That's how society currently is for the average male. It's better to improve oneself, take care of yourself, improve your living conditions, enjoy having friends, and taking care of your family/parents who took care of you.
MGTOW don't hate women. Not on average. There's also a very distinct difference between criticizing women and hating them. Criticism of women in our current age is seen as politically incorrect, when in reality it's just a tactic used to silence any legitimate opposition to how things stand.
As a side note, who the fuck fucks women for money and expects a relationship out of it? That's got nothing to do with MGTOW. That's got everything to do with stupid.
For those that do hate women, and spend a whole lot of energy into doing so, I say this: They're not MGTOW.
Those that stay stuck in their cycle of anger sitting around hating women because they can't have sex are incels. Anyone can have sex with enough money. Some men go through what is called an anger phase and that's natural, because they learn their preconceived notions of how women and the world work are broken down. That they were lied to by society, and to realize how foolish they were is infuriating. Some move on, and some don't. MGTOW is about letting go, accepting the world for what it is, and doing whatever is necessary to improve oneself. To pay attention to how others behave, not what they say. That marriage and relationships in their current form are dangerous and unsafe for most average males and to protect oneself. But most importantly to understand that one's value is determined by one's own accomplishments and goals.
By stating that only incels become MGTOW, you are just simply incorrect. Married men, men who fucked plenty but don't care anymore, men who have been burned, and men who have had success just as much as failure. There are all different kinds.
I think cloning is a great idea! Yes, the normal cloning give you a baby who later becomes a loli you can teach and train!
But, combined with artificial wombs you can have a grown adult in no time!
It seems to me you had a great life, just like the one I'm having now! But since you talk about the "great connection" it is clear the women managed to pour their poison into you!
Sex is the only connection you can get from women, if you want to feel "love" eat chocolate!
SK- serial killers maybe?
The Church of Satan is fighting to do just that for you! Hail Satan!
I don't think all the hatred of women in here is accurate. A lot of it seems to just take women for their appearance, like because they are small and soft, and look young, and have high voices, that they must be like children mentally. Some guys don't question this because it makes them feel better than women. When you get to know women well you can find that lots of women are just adults who like dick and like sex with men and can't help their voice and appearance. Women are people with a different sexuality than men but otherwise we're pretty similar to women. I work as a programmer and some coworkers are women and I have the same sorts of conversations with them that i might have wirh a male coworker.
Also I don't think it makes sense to resent women just because you want to fuck them but can't. That's not their fault. Would you fuck every old hag who wants to fuck you? Also you can't get mad about women not fucking you when you hate women and think they are stupid: of course they don't want to fuck you. If I was a woman I wouldn't want to have sex with someone twice my size who also hates me and thinks I'm stupid, it just makes no sense. The guy is probably going to hurt me or do something I don't like, and if I'm a woman I'm probably too small to fight him off. A woman having sex with a guy who hates women just seems like self abuse. Women have their own lives to live and don't need that.
I do understand the "women are coddled" thing a little, even though i really disagree. It's true that as men we are not allowed to be like women. We aren't allowed to be soft or weak or vulnerable, and that's a double standard. But it's also a double edged sword. We are allowed to be strong and independent, we aren't told to compromise. When I used to work tech support I remember women I worked with would get customers who wouldn't speak to a woman and wanted a man instead. It makes no sense because I would have said the same things my coworkers would have said, but I have a low voice so I get respect by default and women don't. If thats coddling I don't want to be coddled.
Also I think a lot of hate for women is actually fear of being weak.
Women are born with a way of thinking that harms everything around them! If given equal rights to men they will spread that diseased way of thinking and drag society down!
most people who've ever been hurt by anyone were hurt by men. Wars, murders, rapes, religions, cults. Almost all of the violence in human history was men scheming, backstabbing, flying into rages, and fucking everything that moved, including small children and infants. I don't know how you can say without laughing that women are the more destructive gender. I see grown men throw tantrums all the time and I almost never see grown women do it.
The global problem here is it is generally assumed that women are human beings and men are human doings.
so in this way, wen generally derives self-worth from what they do and men from who they are
so inevitably according to this rule all normal men are cucks by definition if they are trying to base their worth on their achievements, skills, wealth.
women, on the other hand, are human beings so all that woman has to do is just to exist nothing else is required from her and in that aspect, I am probably a woman too because I refuse to be a human doing. Either you love me for who I am or I don't care about you.(although this does not exclude doing something to please another person whom you like yourself. but not to make him love you more but to fell pleasure yourself)
MGTOW men usually are human doings and their main complaint is not that women don't like them for whom they are, but that "I did so much for her and she dumped me. How ungrateful"
But in reality, NOTHING wahst you did for your woman or children is worthy of gratitude. because you were supposed to do it for yourself, not for someone else. A woman is not an investment and treating her as such is plain prostitution.
no matter wahst you give her she owes you nothing back. (besides just being a nice person)
without that kind of mentality, you cannot become MGTOW in principle because you are already going your own way.
MGTOW is purely about the idea that "since I am not getting my reward I am not making an effort either. and rather do something else"
>By stating that only incels become MGTOW, you are just simply incorrect. Married men, men who fucked plenty but don't care anymore, men who have been burned, and men who have had success just as much as failure. There are all different kinds.
well, that claim is with a catch, (and I don't say that "only incels" )
by saying that every MGTOW starts as incell I mean that they were all incells at the age of 10-12 when they just started to develop sexuality and their sexual arousal was going over the roof but they had no way to get sex from girls. so they had to spend their puberty as incells until they finally somehow achieved what they wanted so much. This kind of experience turned them into human doings because they accepted the idea that to reach your goals you have to work for it.
even when they turn MTOW they usually keep that kind of mentality.
But there are some lucky guys who either look very good or just has luck to be in the right place at the right time when some girl either offred them sex herself or it somehow happened naturally without any effort what gave them the right impression that you are not supposed to work for it and it has to happen by itself.
those are better known as "bad boys", they do not bother making any effort to reach any goals or achieve anything because they are already at their best. bad boys do not become MGTOW they never get burned they have nothing to take from them they do not work do not accumulate wealth and all what you get from them as a woman is a pleasure and fun for which you will even have to pay yourself because that deadbeat can't even pay for a cup of tea.
But maybe you are right to some extent about incells because not all incells turn MGTOW. Some of them are actually unlucky bad boys who just categorically refuse to pay for sex but also lack any substance themselves to be attractive as people or simply lack opportunities to meet women.
This spawns another form of hate as "why I am so unlucky to be so unattractive" but that form of hate is uncommon for MGTOW because it does not even come to their mind that woman can love them for who they are they only expect to be loved for what they do and achieve.
well you have to choose if you want respect or love. can't have both.
You you look threatening to men I will prepare for fight not for cuddling.
Unfortunately as a man you can only get respect and you will almost never get love
If you are weak cute guy you may have some success when you are young as you can out big puppy eyes and say "Pleeeeeease, take me home " but later you are out of luck nobody will love you as a scary adult man.
as a woman, you can do that up to the age of 40
>Also I don't think it makes sense to resent women just because you want to fuck them but can't. That's not their fault. Would you fuck every old hag who wants to fuck you? Also you can't get mad about women not fucking you when you hate women and think they are stupid: of course they don't want to fuck you. If I was a woman I wouldn't want to have sex with someone twice my size who also hates me and thinks I'm stupid, it just makes no sense. The guy is probably going to hurt me or do something I don't like, and if I'm a woman I'm probably too small to fight him off. A woman having sex with a guy who hates women just seems like self abuse. Women have their own lives to live and don't need that.
actually that is exactly the perfect reason to hate them, you just can't make better reason.
because you just presented women as inconsiderate selfish narcists who do not give a shit about anyone but themselves
The real solution is not to send the poor guy to fuck himself because he is an ugly worthless loser but actually make him think if he really wants sex with a woman who does not find him attractive?
If you think more about that kind of situation it will be super awkward and embarrassing for that guy unless he wants to engage in hate sex or rape.
during the sex, you are supposed to make another person feel good too and if you can't there is no point in it.
In the same way, the reason for being attractive is not to get sex but to make your partner feel better because this will make you enjoy it more.
> When I used to work tech support I remember women I worked with would get customers who wouldn't speak to a woman and wanted a man instead. It makes no sense because I would have said the same things my coworkers would have said, but I have a low voice so I get respect by default and women don't.
Maybe the real reason why the customer is requesting a man is that he does not want to discuss things with a huge hardon in his pants?
also, women are statistically known to be not that good in the IT field. Or anywhere where you are facing uncommon situations and need to show creativity or break the rules.
another reason is that some men are very unwilling to get into the fight with women for many reasons, one of them is that If I fight with a woman fairway, and win I will be accused of being a bully or abuser if I lose I will le weakling who got beaten by a girl so either way you lose. so it is better to avoid any interactions with them where it can develop into the fight
>>10795>Wars, murders, rapes, religions, cults. Almost all of the violence in human history was men scheming, backstabbing, flying into rages, and fucking everything that moved, including small children and infants. I don't know how you can say without laughing that women are the more destructive gender. I see grown men throw tantrums all the time and I almost never see grown women do it.
But most of the time it is women who motivate men do all that stuff ;) and remember women make children not men.
without women on earth men probably woud just sleep eat play games or watch digital porn and that's all. probably most woud not even bother to clean their room ever.
there would be no problems of any kind no wars even no competition because why? nobody give a fuck about your achievements or your status. in fact the higher you climb the more everyone hates you.
and even if you are drowning in your own shit screw it who cares you cant care less about that if you are a guy and nobody is nagging you.
if you leave earth with only women and no men it will turn into a war zone full of unsolved problems and insanity.
If you want to see how peaceful a society without women looks, visit a prison. As soon as men are removed from the vile influence of women, all misdeeds cease. The prisoners sit around giving each other shoulder rubs and nothing bad happens and no one is hurt.
well, prison is a pretty bad environment.
you can see same results in farms where harmless chicken start murdering each other for no reason to the level where you even expect few percent of your stock to kill each other.
But actually there is one prison where men live pretty peaceful life and rub each other shoulders cant give a link because I saw it on TV
probably it will be this onehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Pedro_prison
>>10798>>inconsiderate, selfish narcissists
Onix, you constantly talk about how a man must get what he wants from women, and how doing anything for women is cucked. You urge
men to behave like inconsiderate, selfish narcissists.
As far as I can tell, your morals are inconsistent and full of double standards and contradictions. Instead of a cohesive worldview, you have a fluid stream of subconscious justifications that morph as necessary to satisfy an emotional drive within you.
Thank you for expanding this! I belive this is the main issue here and from it came this so called hate for women! Some people think they hate women but in reality, I think, they hate the fact most men need that kind of motivation from women and in many cases women inspire men to do all the wrong things for them and in most cases get all the blame as well.
HAHAAAA … never thought this
thread would still be flourishing
when I come back after such a long
period of time.
AMAZING. LOVE IT.
Never the less,
This post of Onix is actually
worth agreeing upon.
Whenever I go into
'male-only-spaces', like eg.:
soccer-clubs, some bars
or primarily male dominated jobs,
you can FEEL the peace.
Sure, sometimes it is loud,
the overall tone might be sometimes
harsh, but you can be sure that
almost nothing will be taken too seriously,
and at the end of the day, everything and
everyone is fine (with each other).
ON THE CONTRARY:
I've been in a lot of 'women-only-spaces'
(think about jobs predominantly done by
women, or yoga classes etc…)
And on the surface everything seems so
fine and harmonic.
Nothing is loud, everyone talking so nice
to each other… like in a hollywood-movie.
Haha… but don't you dare stay long enough
within that 'space' to witness the nasty,
the gossip and the plotting against each others
behind each others backs…
So yeah… women are probably more evil inside
than men and spawn a lot of evil around them
>>10798>>respect or love, not both
maybe you mean something else, since you have a habit of redefining what words mean, but anyone who's ever loved another person knows you can love and respect someone at the same time.>>10799
Who cares? To hate women because women make men horny, and horny men do bad things, is to think like a child.
I'm a horny man and I don't do bad things. I'm neither cucked nor weak, and yet I get along with women fine either as a friend or lover or longterm partner. Have some personal responsibility. Hate your own moral weakness, not women.
You need personal responsibility before you can have dignity, before you can even be an adult. The modern world, modern workplaces and modern consumerism, already infantilize us. We don't need to then infantilize ourselves.
Do you understand?
Now look at this morally.
A woman, like you, is here only for a short time. In that time, like you, she wants to experience what the universe is, she wants to know herself and the human condition, she wants to know others. She has a finite lifespan to do so.
Anyone with these drives - anyone who is a human being - is afforded, because we feel empathy and base our morals on that empathy, a set of human rights. Correct? We have laws because we think human beings should not suffer, and we think this because we feel empathy.
Yes? So when you say a man's lust supersedes
a woman's own drives, supersedes her rights and autonomy as a human being, we can infer that you do not feel empathy for women. You feel nothing when a woman's autonomy and rights are violated - it does not bother you. Anyone with a functioning sense of human empathy would say yours is an evil way of thinking.
A woman is sitting alone in a cafe reading a book. A man sits down at her table and says "Come home with me and fuck me." She says "No. Also, I am an adult, address me with respect like you would expect others to address you." The man, who is called Onix, says "How dare you! I am horny! This is your fault! Come fuck me!" She responds "You would enjoy fucking me, but I would enjoy being an autonomous human being and not
fucking you. I would enjoy staying here and reading this book." Onix says "What I want is more important than what you want!" (Oh shit, does he really say that? Yes! Yes he literally does. He thinks women are inferior to him, which means his wants supersede theirs!
American slave owners did this to black people, nazis did this to jews and roma, it's the same thing. One group imagines that another group is inferior, denies them humanity, and then no longer feels bad violating their rights.
Women are raped and murdered all the time because men dehumanize women. This is a failure of men, not women. Hate the moral weakness of men, not women.
This is only a superficial observation. You make no attempt to understand it, instead you just say "This must be an essential trait of the genders."
You shouldn't allow yourself to think in such a lazy way.
the situation with respect is pretty simple here
What would you love more: a tiny cute kitten who desperately needs your love and help to survive or a big strong cat with sharp claws and teeth who tan shred anyone into pieces
You do not respect kitten but you love him
while you respect the cat but don't love him you always have to think about your actions with that cat because if he dislikes you there will be blood.
>I'm a horny man and I don't do bad things. I'm neither cucked nor weak, and yet I get along with women fine either as a friend or lover or longterm partner. Have some personal responsibility. Hate your own moral weakness, not women.
well, you are speaking like a cuck and future MGTOW because you are taking it from the perspective of responsibility. all your post is about responsibility including women as well. I wonder what you will be talking about when someone will wipe his/her ass with your face.
I reject the entire idea of responsibility and morality.
If you know me for that long you should have noticed that I have no morality at all, and my only responsibility is to make myself happy.
the reason why I care about other people and want to make them feel good is that this makes me feel good too not because I am required by some morality or responsibility.
How I feel is the ultimate judge for what is right and wrong and I suggest everyone do the same. Always put yourself in the center of the universe. a person who does not love himself cannot really love anyone either. If you love yourself you will automatically love everyone. Morality and responsibility bring nothing but suffering to everyone.
When looking for friends this is also primary criteria which I evaluate as to how much that person loves himself/herself.
>A woman is sitting alone in a cafe reading a book. A man sits down at her table and says "Come home with me and fuck me." She says "No. Also, I am an adult, address me with respect like you would expect others to address you." The man, who is called Onix, says "How dare you! I am horny! This is your fault! Come fuck me!" She responds "You would enjoy fucking me, but I would enjoy being an autonomous human being and not fucking you. I would enjoy staying here and reading this book." Onix says "What I want is more important than what you want!" (Oh shit, does he really say that? Yes! Yes he literally does. He thinks women are inferior to him, which means his wants supersede theirs! Damn, Onix.)
This is totally not my style I would never do this and I always point out to other guys who wast to do this how stupid it looks like.
(although approaching a woman with the statement "Come home with me and fuck me." is not a that bad idea, which can give you quite a good success)
If I say to a woman "I am horny I want to fuck you"
her response should be "but I am not horny and don't want to fuck you"
If I continue "Then I will just rape you"
she can say "just try it and I will bite off your balls"
I come and say "look I am horny my dick is going to burst so I am sticking it in you."
she can response "and my pussy it is completely dry, make it wet and then you can stick it in"
very likely after pretty long conversation sex will eventually happen because she will change her mind.
the main thing that matters is not whether she allows me to fuck her but whether she allows me to change her mind about me.
and see there is no sign of anyone blaming anyone or making demands we just discuss what we want from the perspective that we do not owe each other anything.
if she just looks at me and says "fuck off you stupid creep" then I will hate her not for not fucking me but for being rude with me.
depending on the situation I will either just walk away with the hope that some serial killer will cut her body in pieces. or If there is no danger I rather abduct her and torture her in my basement, but I will not even try to rape her because I value my dick too much to put in a piece of shit like that. it will not even get hard.
in that case, I rather bring some ugly diseased homeless nigers to fuck her and just watch it myself.
As a nice person, you must give a chance for everyone just to interact with them and if it does not work then it's all fine. nobody owes anything to anyone.
but if you want to be treated nicely by others you have to threaten them nicely too. this is the basic principle.
just follow the golden rule
A more common situation which people who rely on responsibilities face is when you take a woman on a date buy her drinks give her gifts entertain her and in the end when you already expect sex she says "thanks! that was nice I am going home"
and you the start complaining like a real MGTOW as "What? I invested 200$ on you today I deserve at least a blowjob you ungrateful cunt"
If the same happens to me, my complaints will be "are you retarded, I think you knew that when I was doing all those things to you I did it because I thought you liked me. If you did not, you should have said so immediately instead of wasting my time and money"
although she could respond "Sorry, I thought you are usual cuck who loves serving women and being walked over." or maybe "I like you but you failed to arouse me"
If I have the luxury of not respecting her at all, I will not even ask her anything just jump on her pin her down and start cuddling and ticking her until she gets wet. if I see that she is too stressed about that and do not enjoy it at all I will let her go because I don't want to hurt her and feel quite bad about wahst I did, try to apologize. on the other hand, if I see that she is enjoying it I will rape her even if she complains.(Maybe she is married and doesn't want to cheat or she believes that no sex before marriage, in that case, the fact that I rape her offload her from that responsibility she can say to her husband "oh dear I was raped am totally innocent" and I even confirm that "yes she fought back like a tiger but she was no match for me hahaha" in that case everyone is happy she felt good and also for staying loyal to her man. impotent cuck husband is proud of having a loyal wife and has sex with her first time in the last 5 years (because imagining her being raped makes his dick hard) and I am happy because everyone is happy
Probably a week later she will come to the same spot in a hope that it will happen again
And I actually want to be treated exactly the same, with no respect but with love.
this is when you do not listen to what someone says but care about how they feel.
>>10809>Onix, you constantly talk about how a man must get what he wants from women, and how doing anything for women is cucked. You urge men to behave like inconsiderate, selfish narcissists.
No. you get it wrong. Doing something for women is cucked, but doing it for yourself is not.
When you want to do something nice you have to do it not for another person but because you feel good yourself by doing it. If it does not make you fell good then do not do it just because you have some responsibility or obligation.
You give flowers to your girlfriend because you love to see her smile and being happy, not because you believe that giving flowers to her will make her obligated to have sex with you or pay back somehow.
You often make statements about women. "Women are…" "Women think…" "Women will usually…"
You say them like you don't have to defend them. But you do. I disagree with almost all of them. To me your ideas about women seem simple, childish even, and lack depth.
Calling me a cuck is a lazy, self-indulgent defense, isn't it? Don't you think so? Why not defend what you believe about women, Onix? It seems only fair. You wrote so much.
You are not a pickup artist, you are forever a "future pickup artist." Always there is something in the way, or you'll do it tomorrow. I know because (1) you have no charisma, and (2) you are on gurochan all the time.
You're not a pickup artist, so you should stop basing your worldview on pickup artist doctrine. It's a simplification of reality, and because you're not a pickup artist you have no reason to simplify reality in that way.
>>although approaching a woman with the statement "Come home with me and fuck me" is not that bad an idea
Sure, if you are unusually charismatic, physically average or above average, dressed well, and your nonverbal communication reassures her that you are not a creep. Sooner or later, though, you have to be emotionally genuine with someone. Otherwise you cultivate a shallow social sphere, and one day you wake up realizing none of it matters. You can't be a social salesman your whole life and expect to reach old age feeling fulfilled, unless you are a narcissist or a sociopath or a psychopath, or some other sort of depraved solipsist who needs no human connection in their life. Human lives are short, and for most people casual sex eventually loses its magic.
I'll tell you what I mean by "responsibility" here, since I confused you.
"Responsibility" means that when you do a thing, you acknowledge that you had a choice and accept the consequences. You could have chosen not to do it. When you rape a woman, terrorizing and degrading her so you can feel powerful, it is your fault. You are responsible
for raping her, so all blame and punishment falls on you. Her clothes did not make you do it. Her breasts did not make you do it. You
made you do it, and you always had a choice to stop. You are therefore morally responsible for the suffering you inflicted upon her. There is no insanity plea, there is no "I knew not what I did" defense. Do you understand me now, Onix?
People who are not responsible for their actions are like children, or animals even. It is the opposite of adulthood, it is a condition undeserving of respect.
I think when you say "responsibility" you mean "obligation." "Responsibility" can mean "obligation" in some sentences, but I meant the word a different way.
…Misogyny is not a defense either. "I'm not responsible for raping her because I did not understand that she is a human being." People choose to understand, or not understand, in whatever way benefits them most. Many men refuse to understand the humanity of women - men who could easily understand it with a little effort - because they prefer not to understand.
Putting women down makes them feel good about themselves, gives them courage to approach women, allows them to be salesmen. Understanding the humanity of women would ruin all of this for them. Suddenly they would need to rebuild themselves, and this is very daunting.
I'm not trying to mock you. Well, maybe I am a little. But don't take it too seriously.
Well, I am not an active PUA and not planning to become ever for reasons I described a long time ago in that but as I am interested in psychology I study all that stuff and I have enough experience with women some in real life and most of it on the internet. and admit it yourself you can't really have a relationship with more than 10 women in your life and call it a good representative sample so talking from personal experience is pointless, you need to refer to the experience of other people and statistic
while on the internet you can interact with quite a lot of them.
>You're not a pickup artist, so you should stop basing your worldview on pickup artist doctrine.
this is not a pickup artist doctrine it is the doctrine that I want a woman to share my interests and have something in common with me to make it worth being together.
At this time my only interest is pleasure and fun maintaining my current lifestyle. So any woman who wants family children or whatever else irrelevant is out of the question. I am not going to change my interests or my life to convince some women just to have sex with her.
I did meet a few suitable women over the internet but obviously moving to another continent just to have some fun with someone who has a questionable look is a bit overkill.
Getting in a relationship with someone who has nothing in common with you is the most idiotic idea ever.
and this is what many PUAs do.
This is the main idea I am trying to present in this thread.
So the main problem is not convincing women to have sex with you bust actually meeting someone who is suitable for you. When you meet the right one you will naturally have sex with her eventually without making any effort at all.
>"Responsibility" means that when you do a thing, you acknowledge that you had a choice and accept the consequences. You could have chosen not to do it. When you rape a woman, terrorizing and degrading her so you can feel powerful, it is your fault. You are responsible for raping her, so all blame and punishment falls on you. Her clothes did not make you do it. Her breasts did not make you do it. You made you do it, and you always had a choice to stop. You are therefore morally responsible for the suffering you inflicted upon her. There is no insanity plea, there is no "I knew not what I did" defense. Do you understand me now, Onix?
This seems to be so irrelevant that I just failed to understand it that time, and of course, I agree and understand it now. but this absolutely does not apply to me or to this discussion and nobody in the sane mind would think that way. I already said it too that I am responsible for my own happiness, so if I make a choice responsibility is on me.
I was assuming another kind of responsibility which is typically used in this context on similar discussions as a responsibility to do something, not for yourself. like for example responsibility to defend your country to raise children to preserve your traditions, take care of women where you get no benefit at all.
I totally reject all those responsibilities.
And when you do that it is pretty common to be labeled infantile commitment-phobic etc.
There is also another kind of responsibilities as a responsibility not to murder rape steal etc and I reject them too.
So the argument to the feminist argument which you presented that "woman is autonomous being and not obligated to have sex with you" my response is I am equally not obligated not to rape or kill her.
for example, there was one discussion with feminist where she said
"women are highly endangered in situations when they reject men because those men can kill them."
"then do not reject them"
"women are autonomous beings and can choose with wong they want to be"
"then it is their own problem if they are getting murdered not mine. I am not obligated to protect them or do anything to help them"
See, by your own logic if a woman makes choice to reject a man then it is her own responsibility to deal with consequences.
If you demand me to protect women I will demand something back from them in exchange.
> Putting women down makes them feel good about themselves, gives them courage to approach women, allows them to be salesmen.
that is exactly what I refer to being a cuck when you are acting as a salesman.
In a normal situation, everything must happen naturally. as you meet a woman you talk with her you find that you like each other and then you have sex not that you see a woman who does not give a shit about you and then you act like a clown to convince her to let you bang her.
approaching random women on the street trying to pick them up is total idiocy because you have nothing in common with them they are absolutely irrelevant.
but when you meet women in the environment that is right for you everything happens like some magic unless you are autistic or stupid.
My complaint about women is that they are so different from men that you cannot find anything in common with them most of the time. Typically you will not even find any common environment besides various clubs and bars.
except that B.B guy who loves drinking and spending time in bars so naturally, he is picking up women every day
But if you have other kinds of hobbies, like building spy drones, well you will have to stay alone.
What I see here is Onix giving a detailed and well argumented point view on social relations of men and women and anon just attacking Onix's point of view and giving only pieces of counter-arguments that doesn't form anything coherent when they are put together, basicaly not contributing at all!
Also, Onix allways gives valid advices about relations that work in real life, and helped many!
I find it real funny that anon found himself insulted even after Onix perfectly explained what it means to be a cuck and what does not!
If you don't understand that diference anon, you might find yourself a cuck and won't even know about it!
About his time on gurochan, I'm sure he has a full personal life, like many of us here and your comments on that are childish.Aren't you spending time here also, for whatever reasons?
Lastly, I don't find anything wrong with what he said!(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Never thought I would say this but I'm so proud of gurochan for sticking up for the womem here! We apriciate it. ;) strangely wholesome.
>>10824>>I am equally not obligated to not to rape or kill her.
Do you experience empathy? This is what prevents most people from raping or killing others.
Also, Onix, you say you have no morality, but morality is just empathy informed by logic.
Theories of cause and effect connect a situation to its outcome, then empathy tells us whether the outcome is good or bad, and we judge the situation accordingly.
Empathy in turn relies on an understanding of human beings. People with a bad understanding - who for example see women as dumb harpies, or black people as beasts - will develop a bad morality.
These are the two underlying questions of the thread: what sort of human beings are women, and what networks of cause and effect exist?
On this site, Onix, you have sometimes given your answers to the question "what sort of human beings are women?"
You have, for example, said women are less creative, less capable of working with computers, and - we can infer from this - less intelligent.
I work in the hard sciences alongside many women. We write code, and we formulate new mathematics to describe physical situations. Some of these women have minds lightyears beyond mine.
I also keep up-to-date with psychology literature, including studies on gender differences. Psych has always been a passion of mine, and through my work I get access to a couple journals.
Yours and my understandings of women differ. Mine seems better informed, but no view is correct (human nature is way too complex, we are all idiots struggling to understand even the basics). For starters, neither of us are women, and this limits our understanding. My view errs on the side of women being equal to men, which is the morally safer and less arrogant stance. My risk of doing bad things to women is lower.
Suppose a perfect morality exists, one which fully comprehends human nature and can see all cause and effect relationships. We'll call this "true morality." My own morality, flawed as it must be, will still, according to true morality, permit fewer bad acts than yours will, because I make safer assumptions. I'm more generous when I estimate human worth. I know my understanding of those around me is limited, and I know that with better understanding I would possess a more sophisticated morality, so I always scrutinize my actions carefully. I do not want to regret them later when my understanding improves.
I do all of this because I feel empathy, and it makes me want to do things that a theoretical "true morality" - empathy informed by perfect knowledge - would approve of.
Anyone who loves humanity aspires to this. When you do not want to hurt people, and you know that in your ignorance you might do so accidentally, you make generous assumptions.
This includes the assumption - which is probably correct - that women are equal to men.
I wrote a lot. If you get lost or forget my original point, just return to >>10830
You wrote a lot indeed, but basicaly what you said is this: in order to have a mature relation with a woman, a man must understand her needs and mold his behavior in such a way the woman will accept him as a partner.This is all fine and well if the women would do the same.But this allmost never happens! Why? Because, of many factors, first, women have diferent libidos than men, while it's more difficult for men to marry or have relations after a certain age, women have little problems with this also women are natural attractors, while men have to work to gain the courship of a woman(this is seen not only in humans but in nature as well).Women can also stay without men for a long period of time, and don't need the motivation of a man to achive their goals in life.Women need men for stability and support and some of them don't need that either.While most men will do poorly in life without a woman in their life, that is why most women are able to influence powerfull men, because even men with a huge potential, most of the time lack motivation.
Women are not by far inferior beings, but women and men have gender traits, strenghts and limitations, if women try step over their boundaries little by little the social order is broken and men are the ones who suffer from this because of what was stated above.
The modern independant woman model is a danger to men not the women as beings.
A new model must be found and men should use their skills and patience to find the right women.Because if men mold themselves too much they sacrifice their personality entirely and this sounds like a death to me! Think!
Boyyyyyyy this thread is something else.
Just noticed the thread has reached 100 comments! Awesome!
I'm very much against killing all women but very much in favor of killing these buzzwords and the peeps using them with cheap reaction memes
>>10828>Do you experience empathy? This is what prevents most people from raping or killing others.
Without discussing the relevance of empathy I will just say that
even if that would be applicable, I am still not obligated not to rape or not to kill because we owe *nothing* to each other.
Whether I chose to do it or not and why it is a different thing.
The context of that claim is where women are demanding men care about women while at the same time they declare that they do not give a shit about men.>>10830>Also, Onix, you say you have no morality, but morality is just empathy informed by logic.
No, it is not. Morality is essentially your meaning of life or in other words your value system. (and in even other words it is known as "social instinct" which is very much the same as other natural instincts that govern you.)
for example, what is more, valuable for your happiness or survival? your personal survival or survival of your nation. Should you have children or not? are you for or against incest? How do you feel about the infidelity of your wife?
Empathy is usually absolutely incompatible with morality and conflicts it more than follows it.
It is pretty much vital for the survival of society but you probably know that I hate society.
By saying that I have no morality I say that I place myself on top of all other values and I am the ultimate judge of what is right and wrong so if my empathy says that to save this one kitten (or my friend) I have to destroy 5 million people, too bad they will have to die because for me that kitten has more value than they all if you don't like it blame my empathy.
But realistically, of course, I do have morality. I was not raised by Wolves so I developed some social instincts. But I found a way to deal with them.>>10831>You have, for example, said women are less creative, less capable of working with computers, and - we can infer from this - less intelligent.
Yes, I stand for my words that women are less creative and more down to earth beings than men because of evolution
but I *never* said they are less intelligent, just less creative. Creativity is not when you do things well and efficient it is when you break rules and get the result in a way that everyone around is scratching their heads thinking how the hell he got such a ridiculous idea which also even works (or does not). so you can easily be stupid and creative and smart but lack any creativity at all. In fact, children are more creative than adults but absolutely not more intelligent. Men manage to retain more of that while women after puberty lose most of it.
And before you start bragging about your experience and psychology knowledge, get familiar with typical Gaussian distribution. If you take average men and women you will have nearly 90% overlap but when you move to the ends of the distribution you will see that differences become very extreme. If we assume that men are 10% more violent than women on average this is almost unnoticeable, If you look at the top 10% of violent people it will be one woman in 10 men. When you look at the most violent people on earth predominantly all of them will be men without any women. So your everyday experience is irrelevant.
even if the difference between men and women in certain areas is only 1% on the edges of the curve this will have extreme effects
For this reason, the further you are from the average the harder it will be for you to find an appropriate female friend because there will be way more men with the same interests and very few women.
There is no guilt of women in that it is just how math works.
I think the only realistic solution will be if we will manage to develop technology and turn everyone into futas eliminating the idea of gender and sex. LOL
>>10843>I think the only realistic solution will be if we will manage to develop technology and turn everyone into futas eliminating the idea of gender and sex. LOL
Whoa, very edgy anon
is one of our resident trolls, don't pay attention to him!
A very valid point of view! Also very true! Well, except for the last part! :P Can't wait to see what the cuck will have to say now!
Agreed! But that model is only a part of the problem! It also sustains what Onix said! I only agree to this and Onix, the rest is gibberish!
"Anyone else despised women?"
Second off why would you hate women? They brought you to this world in the first place
There’s plenty of reasons to hate them. They’re the cause of society’s downfall and men are starting to realize the world would be better without the cunt gender. Less women, the better.
Can’t forget women are the main cause of financial issues, have more mental health issues than men, and (thankfully) live shorter lives than men do. They’re also backstabbing, life-ruining twats, who, when they do get their shit kicked in, play the victim card when they had it coming.
They brought people into this world. Great. We have artificial wombs to spare us the pain. Just because someone birthed you out of their filthy cunt does not mean they are worthy of respect or love. Anyone could literally give birth better and still be more useful than a walking vagina. A man could birth a child out of his cock for all I care and they would still be a better parent than the breeder species known as women.
Except gurochan is a site dedicated to seeing women suffer. Why would you stick up for a species that hasn’t done shit for you? Fucking cuck.
Yo I've been arguing against this dude but …
That is really only a reason to hate them, for anyone who only hates this world… But it goes also for the man who bust a nut that became you.
Guys just read what Onix and the dude with the new model said, it will help you see things clear!
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Are you like this because you haven't had a girlfriend since highschool, perhaps you got rejected? Or maybe you aren't popular at all so you lash out at the thing you believed cause you the pain?
If so, please reconsider your hate, love means accepting your partner and spending your entire life with them, a girl isn't going to do that if they didn't know you beforehand, plus put yourself in their shoes, what happen if a girl ask you out, but you don't know anything about them and you had nothing in common to them?
And please listen to yourself
Look at what you have written and consider your life choice
Hating on one gender is not right, be it male or female. Try using your brain instead your heart and maybe change before you regret how you live your life
You're too sweet Horus. I wonder how much we've talked.>>10911
You're also sweet, and presuming quite a lot. Maybe your guess is accurate but I'd not put money on it and his origin is irrelevant. What matters is he is cancer who won't listen to reason. Even if you happen to be right, what good does rubbing trauma in his face do? At least be honest in your insults and not pass ag!
How about people have the right to hate women because they can? I mean, shit, I hate women not because “you can’t get a gf JFL at this asshole” or whatever excuses you can label me with. Second of all, to love someone means you stoop to their level and put up with their bullshit. Nobody nowadays has time for that.
I hate women because of their looks and personalities. I hate them because they could get away with all sorts of crimes and still be loved. I hate them because of how perpetually annoying they are. Just because they shit a kid out of their womb doesn’t mean they are worthy of love or respect. Anyone can birth a kid and not receive any love or consideration and still be fine.
I hate women to the point of where I refuse to consider them anything but a failed species that’ll be extinct in the next few years.
If men do not rise up and realize women are the true evil ruining their lives, how will they wake up from this nightmare? Who will help them realize the meme gender (women) have been hurting them and others all this time?
Also, hilarious you guys want to stand up for women when you’re on a site involving torture and rape of women. Proves to me you all are a bunch of cowards.
TL: rrreeeee vagina bad, ran out of arguments so instead ill show how i dont understand how a fetish works and how most people here arent actual psychos like me
>>10923>How about people have the right to hate women because they can? I mean, shit, I hate women not because “you can’t get a gf JFL at this asshole” or whatever excuses you can label me with. Second of all, to love someone means you stoop to their level and put up with their bullshit. Nobody nowadays has time for that.
I always said that it is ok, to hate women, it is just stupid. Just like all of your arguments. If you want to be stupid that's totally ok.
In essence you are same as if someone came up here and started posting on the every thread how he fates frogs or snakes because they are slippery and disgusting or venomous then posting 100 reasons article why hate frogs . or even started to argue with people who keep snakes as their pets on the pet care forum.
Just calm down with all that hate after all and accept the fact that women are simply irrelevant. Just enjoy the benefits of current society and let the cucks suffer as they desire.
Haha! Well said! I'm glad there are still sane and rational people here! Btw, this is a site dedicated to art not to the suffering of women! That said this discussion managed to touch some important life issues from a rational perspective! Well done Onix and the anons with similar ideas!(188.8.131.52)
Geez buddy, you sound like you have a lot of displaced anger issues and you need help. You should seriously consider seeking some form of professional counseling. I hope you get better and can end up being the best person you can be.
Isn’t counseling just another money laundering scheme? It doesn’t do shit last I recalled. Also, therapists and counselors are scammers who just tell you motivational garbage to try and make you see things from their POV.
Yeah, I argued against the PoS starting this shit but hiring a conartist won't make him honest with himself.