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 No.10587[View All]

Or is it just me? I absolutely fucking hate women to the point of where I hope they fucking vanish one by one. What are reasons you guys hate these evil cunts?
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 No.11300

>>11299
You should use quotes to specify who exactly you're talking to because you're definitely talking to multiple different people in this post. In any case, I believe "Now, maybe he's explaining how his father was a decent individual and you mis-interpreted what he said. He never blamed his father once. He is saying his mother tried to bash him by being the oh so typical toxic feminist. There is a difference between wanting respect and wanting power. I believe he's trying to maybe explain the father figured out what was happening and finally decided enough was enough and stood up for himself/snapped." this part is for me? Reading between the lines of his statements about women (his mother) not standing up against their rape/children getting raped and doing nothing because they expect a superhero to save them then it's very likely he's talking about his mother not doing anything about the abuse his father did to them. Plus, that would also explain posts like " It’s in their nature to see cunts suffer and perish for all they do. Every man has an instinct to kill women, and they can’t fight it off forever." It really sounds like a philosophy a male figure in his life put upon him. And have you noticed that the only form of "abuse" he's ever mentioned "women" (his mom) do are nagging and "not doing anything about getting abused"? Meanwhile all his praises for men are physical things (usually murder)?
Put it all together and the story I'm getting is that his father physically abused him and his mother and his mother just let it happen and didn't do anything about it other than nagging both the father and anon. Eventually the father stopped that too and managed to get the mom to agree that she's a parasite (maybe even killed her? Anon does seem obsessed with saying women cause murder and serial killings). Meanwhile, the father dealt with his son (anon) by convincing him that his mother deserved it, that all women inherently deserve it, and that "nagging" is a justifiable reason for murder so that anon would never blame the father.
That's the story I'm getting.
Of course, now that I've spelled it out it's likely he'll deny that's how it happened but that is the logical conclusion to get from the stuff he's currently said.

 No.11301

*Oh, and I would also like to add "and convinced him that it was her fault that she never stood up against him, which is the most common tactic for domestic abusers to pin the blame on their victims."

 No.11302

>>11289
>Here’s the thing, if they know the whole time this evil shit is going on, why they do NOTHING about it is beyond me.

What do you expect them to do against this evil?
women are quite weak and vulnerable much more than men so you cant expect them to act like superheroes. A normal man will always defeat almost any woman because he is stronger than her physically and mentally.

>>11296
>Elliot Rodgers was a severely mentally ill (diagnosed) sociopath who hated all of humanity and in fact killed mostly men before killing himself.

No, no, Eliot was not a sociopath he was just a very shy and neglected boy who was totally ignored by everyone as if he does not exist.
He received no help from society so his behavior and hate is totally justified.

>>11295
>Hell, explain to me all those fucking school shooters like Elliot Rodger et al.

In reality, Eliot's story is very different than the media is portraying. The reason for his shooting was not hatred for women but the fact that he was about to become homeless because he was living on his mother's money and she decided to cut off funding for him. being mentally ill and unable to work he had no other choice.
all his hate was more like a fantasy which he decided to play just before committing suicide.
No woman ever rejected him in all his life simply because he did not even come near them. except for 2 times: 1 when he poured glass fo coke on them and 2 when he attempted to kill them by pushing them out of the balcony.

>>11297
>Except he had a right to stand up to her. She abused me and then tried to act like she was the good parent all along, hammering me over the head with how “men are pigs”, “they never do anything right”, etc. when she would sit on her fat ass and do fucking NOTHING, playing victim cards galore like it’s Uno.

I would rather say that it is the guilt of your loser doormat father. if he did not stand up and put that bitch in her place.
In fact, you could also put her in place because you are a man too. You should have immobilized her somehow like tying her hands while she is sleeping, then taking a good belt and whipping her until she will be sobbing and crying and begging to forgive for all that she did.


>>11301
>*Oh, and I would also like to add "and convinced him that it was her fault that she never stood up against him, which is the most common tactic for domestic abusers to pin the blame on their victims."

victims are rarely innocent because every victim has the ability to stand up for themselves. You are not willing to stand up, that's your choice to be a victim. in our modern world more or less everyone is equal in terms of power so there is no excuse being a victim.

 No.11303

>>11302
>victims are rarely innocent because every victim has the ability to stand up for themselves. You are not willing to stand up, that's your choice to be a victim. in our modern world more or less everyone is equal in terms of power so there is no excuse being a victim.
>he was just a very shy and neglected boy who was totally ignored by everyone as if he does not exist.
He received no help from society so his behavior and hate is totally justified.

lol shut the fuck up Onix. You’re also an autist. Just not as bad as the other guy.

 No.11304

>>11303
No, I would rather diagnose myself as covert schizoid, which is the opposite of autist.
No autist would ever make a story like mine LOL and in my perspective, you are all autists because of your lack of understanding deeper meaning ;)

Yes, Eliot's hate and behavior are justified because society is supposed to help those who are unfortunate.
all that tragedy(if we even call it a tragedy because of very few victims) could be avoided if someone just took care of him and solved his problems rather than leaving him all for himself.

I know that the typical narrative in our society is you are all for yourself and do not interfere with other people's lives if you got in trouble just quietly dig a grave and lie preparing for death or else you may pollute the street with your rotting corpse.

That is not my style. I always tell everyone that if you have a problem make sure that if society does not help it becomes their problem.

Also, I know enough about domestic abuse and all other abuse to say that victims are no less quilty I was a victim myself for some time, and I admit that it was all my fault because I was stupid/ignorant.

 No.11305

>>11298

What part of “fuck off with your Pollyanna advice” do you not understand, you dumb cunt? Fuck off with this “please get help op” shit. I tried getting therapy and those stupid cucks didn’t do a thing. You white knighting for the cunt gender makes you as guilty as that failed species.

>>11299

My sentiments exactly, this is what I tried to explain. And no, no female has ever been nice or whatever the fuck to me. I have had to sign up to jobs to ask them to please not have any of their female employees come into contact with me and of course, they still fucking would come near me. Fucking idiots. And no, no steam. I don’t use anything like that.

Women are still parasites who deserve every bad thing coming to them ever. Act like a fucking inhumane piece of shit, don’t be surprised men treat you like one and want you gone.

 No.11307

>>11305
Then you need to keep trying because as I said, our mental health system is sorely lacking. Otherwise are you just going to keep wallowing in pathetic self-pity like the mother you hated so much? Your problems might’ve been caused by your mother but you still lingering on that resentment and especially blaming it on unrelated people is your own problem and the only thing that can improve you is yourself. If you can’t be optimistic and learn to let go of your hate and insist on being miserable then the onus of all your current problems is entirely on you. You can’t keep crying about your past. Well, I mean you can, but it just makes you the same kind of whiny bitch you claim your mother was. If you refuse to take steps to better yourself and would rather just blame random unrelated people as a scapegoat then your life will stay shitty regardless of how much you blame others (even though it’s your own doing). As they say, you see one asshole and you’re looking at an asshole. If all you see are assholes you’re looking in a mirror.

 No.11308

>>11307

“Mental health society is sorely lacking”

Gee whiz, no fucking shit, sherlock. Also, it’s not worth telling people to get help when you state obvious shit like that. No amount of therapy is fucking worth it. I would rather despise femacites and keep hating them until they fucking rightfully die for all the shit they’ve done than bother trying to respect and love those evil ass, victim card playing, hypocritical walking cunts.

Again, FUCK OFF WITH YOUR STUPID ASS OPTIMISTIC POLLYANNA ADVICE. IT DOES NOT FUCKING HELP. IT DOES THE FUCKING OPPOSITE!

 No.11309

>>11308
It’s better than doing nothing. Or what, you’d rather be a miserable whiny bitch just like your mother for the rest of your life? You don’t realize (or perhaps you do) that you yourself are “an evil ass, victim card playing, hypocritical walking cunt” by doing this.
Get help, and from a male therapist. Tell him all the things you think about women that you posted here. You could also tell the receptionist this first so that you could hopefully get a free appointment.

 No.11310

>>11309

Fuck off. With your Pollyanna advice. You fucking annoying ass, soyboy cuck that white knights for the femacites. I tried getting help from one and they didn’t do shit to try and help. They just sat there and spoon fed me shit that I knew wouldn’t help in the long run.

So please, do me a favor and FUCK OFF. Stop fucking giving me advice to get help when the mental health assistance IS NOT WORTH A FUCKING DOG TURD. Go back to reddit and worship the females there, you fucking beta bitch.

 No.11311

>>11310
What did they say and how did it not help? I can give you advice because unlike you my life is not at the bottom.

 No.11312

>>11309
>It’s better than doing nothing.

Interesting. I would suspect that you are a woman from that claim because in my own experience I noticed that women usually have exactly this idea, that "doing something is always better than doing nothing" regardless how pointless and stupid is what they are doing.

But in reality, doing nothing is often better and the only situation where it is worth doing something is when you enjoy that work, in other situations, it will be just pointless extra suffering.

>>11310

From all your talks I am starting to get the impression that this hate for women is just the last meaning of life you have which prevents you from collapsing into depression.

But it would be beneficial to find some other hobbies as well.
and even considering that hate you at least could try to streamline your ideology to make it sound less stupid.

 No.11313

>>11312
Nope, I'm the same guy who said I was a dude earlier. And I never said doing something is always better. It's better when your life has sunken as low as his has. Also, if you haven't noticed, he himself chastised his mother for doing nothing yet here he is doing the exact same thing as her. I've noticed pretty much every post of his has been projection. Parasite is his favorite word that he's been throwing out left and right yet from the sounds of it it's very likely he's on government welfare.

 No.11315

>>11304
The whole point of being a victim is that you couldn’t do anything about it. How could you have stood up for yourself if I go to your house and burn it down while you were sleeping? How could you have stood up for yourself if you were out shopping and a bomb from a terrorist attack blew you up before you could realize?
You then contradict yourself by saying Elliot was an unfortunate victim and it was society’s fault we didn’t treat him better (which it wasn’t. He had a loving family, he was well off and had people to help him. He was just an entitled and antisocial douche) even though you just said that the blame is on the victims.

 No.11316

>>11313
Ah, Ok.

What I noticed that his posts are just copies of texts created by other people without any of his own experience at all. Nothing what he said has any relevance to his life.

We even don't know why his mother was so horribly bad and I suspect she wasn't really that horrible, she probably just divorced and ruined his life by eliminating father from his life. What is a common situation. It could even happen to me but it didn't.

So all that hatred is nothing but an excuse to feel better.

 No.11317

>>11316
Exactly. The two negative about his mom he's been repeating throughout the whole topic is that she "nags" and that "she didn't do anything" when people were doing bad things. Meanwhile he acts as if murdering your wife is a justified reaction to the above. From there you could probably deduce what's really going on.

 No.11318

>>11315
>The whole point of being a victim is that you couldn’t do anything about it. How could you have stood up for yourself if I go to your house and burn it down while you were sleeping? How could you have stood up for yourself if you were out shopping and a bomb from a terrorist attack blew you up before you could realize?

We are not talking about that kind of victim but rather about victims of repeat abuse. not avoid victims of terrorism or robbery.
and if you are being bullied that is because you do not stand up against the bully. because no batter how strong is the bully you can take some weapon or resort to dirty tactic. Like for example what prevents you from sneaking on the bully kicking his balls and then bludgeoning him until he cannot stand and at least has a few broken bones. Let's say you have an abusive father who beats you. what prevents you from taking baseball bat or steel pipe and smashing his knee making him unable to walk for a month or two? or better break his fingers and he will not be able to beat you anymore. A simple and effective way to end abuse by 100% certainty.
You being abuser cannot prevent this from happening if you are living with your victim or meet them routinely. That is living in constant fear. An abuser will only choose a victim who is willing to be a victim.

>You then contradict yourself by saying Elliot was an unfortunate victim and it was society’s fault we didn’t treat him better (which it wasn’t. He had a loving family, he was well off and had people to help him. He was just an entitled and antisocial douche) even though you just said that the blame is on the victims.


One guy did good research about Eliot's life and other stuff. You should watch it if interested. He even got hacked emails from Eliot's family where you can see his conversations with his mother and father. It was anything but a loving family and he was not doing that well financially.

Actually he was a pretty good nice boy who was extremely shy, what was the reason why he had no friends (except in childhood when his stepmother forcefully introduced him to a group of kids and later when someone approached him at school.) later he was living totally alone without any friends. And it is pretty normal that he went insane from all that loneliness. If you have someone who is lonely expect bad things to happen.

And in the end, he was just like the op surviving purely on hate, fantasizing how he will destroy and enslave all women who actually never did anything wrong to him besides totally ignoring him, they did not even hurt him or reject him because he never even came close to any one of them. Because of that hate, he could not even go to his college and lots all remaining chances to ever make any friends male or female.

It could be all avoided if women were not that passive and at least someone approached him, said hi, and offered her friendship the same way as men approach women.
or if I could talk to him and explain to him that he is not really missing anything and the resin he does not have a girlfriend is because he does not even want it.
because of his lack of experience, he was just living in the fantasy world imagining that other people get something so great what he will never have.

Of course, I do not blame his victims individually but I blame them as being part of society who did not help him and believe that this society is right. Funny enough his victims were mostly just the same unfortunate people as he himself. he was planning to kill few gorgeous bimbos but because the dormitory door was closed killed just few ugly girls passing by who probably would happily date him if he said "hi" instead of shooting them.

 No.11319

>>11318
You’re way oversimplifying it. What if the bully has friends or connections who’d kill you if you do that? What if the power discrepancy really is that huge, for example if your father was ex-military? It’s not that simple.
You act like it’s normal and not his fault for Elliot Rodgers to become a hate driven lunatic due to being lonely when no, the vast majority of us lonely people don’t shoot people, don’t broadly hate people. Meanwhile it IS normal for abuse victims to have been so mentally, physically, and psychologically beaten down by their abusers that they are terrified and psychologically incapable of fighting back, even if they were physically able to (which they often times aren’t).
If you want to understand deeper meaning you have to see it from all perspectives and not just the perspectives of someone who chooses violence.

 No.11320

>>11318
>No, no, Eliot was not a sociopath he was just a very shy and neglected boy who was totally ignored by everyone as if he does not exist.
He received no help from society so his behavior and hate is totally justified.


>Actually he was a pretty good nice boy who was extremely shy, what was the reason why he had no friends


>It could be all avoided if women were not that passive and at least someone approached him, said hi, and offered her friendship the same way as men approach women.

or if I could talk to him and explain to him that he is not really missing anything and the resin he does not have a girlfriend is because he does not even want it.
because of his lack of experience, he was just living in the fantasy world imagining that other people get something so great what he will never have.

>Of course, I do not blame his victims individually but I blame them as being part of society who did not help him and believe that this society is right. Funny enough his victims were mostly just the same unfortunate people as he himself. he was planning to kill few gorgeous bimbos but because the dormitory door was closed killed just few ugly girls passing by who probably would happily date him if he said "hi" instead of shooting them.


“After turning 18, Rodger began rejecting the mental health care that his family provided, and he became increasingly isolated. He said that he was unable to make friends, although acquaintances said that he rebuffed their attempts to be friendly.[5] Screenwriter Dale Launer, who was a friend of the Rodger family, stated that he had counseled Rodger on approaching and befriending women, but that Rodger did not follow the advice. He said in an interview, "I first met [Rodger] when he was aged eight or nine and I could see then that there was something wrong with him. I'm not a psychologist, but looking back now he strikes me as someone who was broken from the moment of conception … You were hoping that inside there was a normal kid wanting to come out – that he would overcome his shyness and bloom in some way. What became evident, only after reading the manifesto and watching that video, was that what he was actually hiding was this horribly twisted little monster."[74]
Earlier incidentsEdit
In July 2011, Rodger followed a couple he was jealous of out of a Starbucks in Goleta and threw coffee on them.[16]:87 In a later incident, he splashed his latte on two girls sitting at a bus stop in Isla Vista for not smiling back at him.[16]:100 In July 2012, Rodger purchased a Super Soaker, filled it with orange juice, and used it to spray a group playing kickball at Girsh Park.[16]:106–107[75]
Referring to an incident that occurred on July 20, 2013,[75] Rodger wrote that "he tried to shove girls at a party over a ten-foot ledge after being mocked but failed", and instead other boys pushed him over it. He said that he "felt a snap in [his] ankle, followed by a stinging pain" and "tried to get away from there as fast as [he] could". Realizing that he left his Gucci sunglasses at the party, Rodger returned to retrieve them but the "same people he had tangled with before began mocking him and calling him names, then dragged him into the driveway to beat him up". One of Rodger's neighbors said that "he saw Rodger come home, crying" and said that Rodger claimed that he was going to kill the men involved, and kill himself.[71] Rodger told investigating officers that he had been assaulted, but they determined that he might have been the aggressor.[19][75][76”

 No.11322

Again, at no point did he say or insinuate his father did anything to him and insisted he saw what she was doing and he finally snapped. He also insiuates she is still living and that his mother may have witnessed over and over again some form of abuse he was suffering and allowed it to happen. The father may have been niave and or a bit weaker himself until that moment when he found out. Maybe he was being abused by a female or male (probably even both and his mother) in a circle of continual physical, mental and sexual abuse?

There is no real need to bash this individual, nor to put words in their mouths. Even though I explained how I didnt want him to list the things that may have happened to him here, it seems to me like some of you all are already bashing him with the bits and pieces you have and the pieces you have mis interpreted here. Op, please maybe explain a little bit more I think I understand a bit more.

>:)

 No.11323

>>11319
>If you want to understand deeper meaning you have to see it from all perspectives and not just the perspectives of someone who chooses violence.

Don't worry I fully understand that deeper meaning and that is exactly why I say that it is a choice to be a victim.

Unless your father of bully is an invincible superman you can always defeat him. sure you may fail and you may be horribly hurt yourself but you still can try and succeed with pretty much high probability. You have enough time to make a good plan.

Here is one story tod By Jordan Peterson:
when he visited prison he met one very good innocent-looking inmate who was thin and otherwise pretty weak in comparison to other muscular baboons and also looked pretty intelligent. Could make a perfect victim for all those baboons. but he was regarded as the most dangerous inmate in the prison nobody dared to touch because one "nigger who" did something to him ended losing his leg when this innocent guy sneaked hin in the shower and bludgeoned one of his legs with the steel pipe until it turned into body pulp beyond any possibility of repair.
after that NONODY dared to touch that guy and he is most respected of all in that prison. Yes anyone can kill him easily, but they know that if he will stay alive the one who hurt him will likely die or lose some limbs. and will have to walk in fear for the rest of the life imagining that guy sneaking from behind.

Or another story where a woman smashed a knee of her abusive husband during one of their fights, and this changed their relationships forever.

I also had to deal with some bullies at school, and even while being to fight normally I almost bite off a finger for one of them and managed to put an arm of another into the cast, also I hit one in the balls for what I was brought to the chairman office and had to listen to a lecture how I could make the poor guy infertile for life.
Even when being about 5 when mom spanked me with the belt as revenge I destroyed all belts with scissors.

Yes if you are only 5 you may boot be able to defeat an adult because you are not even that smart, but at that age of 10-12 you are fully capable to deal with anyone.

——
The real reason why victims lose against bullies is that the one whose life is worse less will always win. Bullies are bullies because their life is worth nothing they have nothing to lose.
while victims usually have too much to lose to take a risk of fighting.

As yes you can easily defeat your abusive father or mother or husband and maybe even get away with that because they will not even file a report to the police
But if you break your father's husband's arms he will be unable to work for a month or maybe forever and then who will be paying all your bills EEh?
Another reason is that ok, you can show your bully their place. For example, you can handcuff your father while he is sleeping then hold him tied and helpless constantly abusing him to the moment when the though military guy will start sobbing like a baby begging you to forgive him for everything he did and then what? Now you are the master of the house all responsibilities are on you and you are not ready to take them.

The same situation with school bullies yes you can defeat them and it is not that hard, but you will have consequences, you will be expelled from school possibly put in jail or whatever else. because you cannot claim self-defence here you will be an obvious attacker who severely harmed an innocent person who did nothing wrong to you. From that moment you will be known as a psychopath and your bully will be a poor victim.

So yes it is not simple but nothing is simple. It does not change the fact that you chose to be a victim because of various reasons.
In the end life is the game of "chicken" the one who is ready to bet more wins unless no winner is left
victims are just people who are not willing to bet enough in this game.

Also, another reason is that when you are child you don't really know that much about things and you can make mistakes where you hurt those who rather should be your friends.
Now I always regret that I was trying to beat girls who were teasing me and did other stupid things being too selfish and inconsiderate simply because at that age I was just thinking about myself.
Maybe some of the bullies also could be my friends if I knew how to act properly at that time.

 No.11324

>>11320
I was just thinking to give you a link to "Mumkey Jones" youtube channel where he did the most extensive research on Eliot and all of that stuff told about him.
Unfortunately, his channel was erased and video lost. so I can't give any good evidence to support my claims.

The stuff you say is somewhat right, but it is a matter of interpretation and context
what I say is essentially this" I first met [Rodger] when he was aged eight or nine and I could see then that there was something wrong with him. I'm not a psychologist, but looking back now he strikes me as someone who was broken from the moment of conception … You were hoping that inside there was a normal kid wanting to come out – that he would overcome his shyness and bloom in some way."
he really was a good kid in the beginning but because of all what happened and not getting any help he turned in what you call "sociopath" (in fact even in psychiatry it is believed that sociopaths are people who suffered from abuse or other issues in their childhood)

Considering that your source says
"Rodger’s family was caring and attentive, said family friend Adam Krentzman. Peter Rodger, the father of the attacker, “is the sweetest, nicest, most genuine, caring person, and he did everything he could,” Krentzman said."

I can assure you that this is an unadulterated lie.
both Eliot's mother and father were 2 scumbags where father was an idiot Holywood producer waking shitty movies, and mother was a golddigger who essentially milked her former husband and her lovers. It was well described by Mumkey Jones where he presented hacked emails from his father.
Yes, all that stuff about him attacking people spilling coffee on girls is true. But that was happening when he already turned insane and it was already too late. At that point, Eliot probably needed psychiatric hospitalization or at least very intensive therapy already because he was nonfunctional as a human being.
Either way, the main issue here is that what Eliot did has little relevance to his hate, it was a suicide which he did because he was about to become homeless so he just had some fun before death.

 No.11325

>>11322
>There is no real need to bash this individual, nor to put words in their mouths. Even though I explained how I didnt want him to list the things that may have happened to him here, it seems to me like some of you all are already bashing him with the bits and pieces you have and the pieces you have mis interpreted here. Op, please maybe explain a little bit more I think I understand a bit more.

Good luck convincing the OP to tell more details. ;) It would be interesting to know.

I have seen such individuals on youtube. The common denominators is that they are raised by single mother possibly even still living together. lacking any kind of social skills or work skills. their mother is nagging them that them are worthless, losers and they can't even say anything back because of fear to be kicked out of home in the same way like their father was kicked out. And since they lack any skill at all they cannot even survive alone.

In that situation there is very little possible to do to or help such a person. Because his life was essentially ruined by his mother leaving no hope at all.
Normal psychological counseling is not going to work here because those licensed government goons are just trying to brainwash their clients into becoming wage slaves and taxpayers as they are trained to do.
In this situation he needs to find a totally different and creative approach to solve his problems.

 No.11327

>>11323
“Unless your father of bully is an invincible superman you can always defeat him. sure you may fail and you may be horribly hurt yourself but you still can try and succeed with pretty much high probability. You have enough time to make a good plan.”
This is something way easier said than done. One single fuck-up and you could be dead or worse. I’m not sure how you can expect a child to overpower an abusive father, especially if the father had people working with him. Which brings me to
“The real reason why victims lose against bullies is that the one whose life is worse less will always win. Bullies are bullies because their life is worth nothing they have nothing to lose.
while victims usually have too much to lose to take a risk of fighting.

As yes you can easily defeat your abusive father or mother or husband and maybe even get away with that because they will not even file a report to the police
But if you break your father's husband's arms he will be unable to work for a month or maybe forever and then who will be paying all your bills EEh?”
You’re basing this all on a one-on-one fight and acting like this is a stereotypical bully situation you see on TV when it could be far different. Not all bullies are those insecure bullies who only bully because their lives are worthless. Some bullies are genuine evil sociopaths with high connections. The bully could be a high ranking gang member where if you touch him his gang will kill you no matter what you do. The bully could be the kid of a rich family who could easily silence you and have bodyguards around him.
And your abusive father or husband can easily be so violent that if you did stand up against him he’d later kill you or have friends to kill you.
Your Jordan Peterson story is just a single anecdote and he lucked out that none of the other inmates were more insane and stronger than him or formed a gang that could’ve easily stamped him out. Although that Jordan Peterson story also helps prove my point. What if that small innocent-looking dude was your bully? If your only advice is to keep growing more insane and stronger than your bully then eventually you’re going to hit your limit. This isn’t an anime power level. Most abuse victims can’t just keep getting more “insane”. That’s not even going into how telling someone to “go insane” is already bad advice. Even if they do go insane they just ruined their chances to have a normal non-violent life. So that’s another way abuse victims are forced to suffer. Either they stay being abused or they’re forced to sink into becoming crazed and violent themselves to survive. You can see how most people don’t want to be the latter? This is entirely on the abuser’s fault. Abuse victims shouldn’t need to choose between being abused and becoming brutally violent. You admit yourself there are consequences so it’s not as simple. However, the entire point is that you shouldn’t HAVE to make such a choice. Imagine if I kidnapped you and forced you to choose between either killing yourself or killing a loved one (or if you don’t have a loved one, all your money and property). Now you can technically say you had a choice there but the whole point is the fact is that you shouldn’t have had to make that choice in the first place. The entirety of at least 99.99% of the blame is on me for putting you in that situation and not you because you “chose” to kill your loved ones/give your entire life’s possessions to me.

 No.11328

>>11324
I see. That's an interesting thing to consider but wikipedia, with its reliable sources and multiple citations seem a bit more reliable than a youtube channel whose videos have been deleted. I'm not sure if I can consider that valid evidence rather than a contrarian alternative takes which are very popular on the internet. I don't take flat earth theorists seriously and I don't believe you do either.

 No.11329

>>11327
>Even if they do go insane they just ruined their chances to have a normal non-violent life.
Yes exactly. And that is the choice either you endure the abuse or you ruin your chances to have normal life which you probably never have anyway. In this situation level of your optimism will be the main factor that defines how much abuse you are willing to take believing that eventually, it will get better.

>This is entirely on the abuser’s fault.

The problem with this belief is that the abuser is not a human being with whom you can reason so it is irrelevant whose fault it is. It is the same as the force of nature. you do not blame bear which attacks you, you fight or run as you can and later you do not break to everyone that some evil bear ripped of your leg. you do not go on rallies demanding bears to stop attacking people. Or demanding hurricanes to stop demolishing houses.
So here the situation is exactly the same. You have a problem and you have to solve it. if you failed to solve it that's your fault, nobody's else.

>Imagine if I kidnapped you and forced you to choose between either killing yourself or killing a loved one (or if you don’t have a loved one, all your money and property). Now you can technically say you had a choice there but the whole point is the fact is that you shouldn’t have had to make that choice in the first place. The entirety of at least 99.99% of the blame is on me


Same here. You are irrelevant. In that situation, I am facing a problem and I have to solve it. Blaming you or reasoning with you will not do anything useful for me. In that situation, I can only think about how I can kick you in the balls or poke your eye or just try to kill myself and people I love painlessly to avoid unnecessary suffering. If I can't do anything at all I would just drop my pants and start to jerk off with hope to cum before you kill me.
Either way, you are entirely out of the picture here.

>Even if they do go insane they just ruined their chances to have a normal non-violent life. So that’s another way abuse victims are forced to suffer.


that is actually the main life skill you need to survive. you must be able to control your inner psychopath and use it properly.
this is a skill which everyone has to be told in their childhood to become respectable human beings who are neither psychopaths neither victims of psychopaths.
It is not necessary to always kill your bully, most often just giving a hint that you will give more trouble than benefit is enough

 No.11331

>>11329
>Same here. You are irrelevant. In that situation, I am facing a problem and I have to solve it. Blaming you or reasoning with you will not do anything useful for me. In that situation, I can only think about how I can kick you in the balls or poke your eye or just try to kill myself and people I love painlessly to avoid unnecessary suffering. If I can't do anything at all I would just drop my pants and start to jerk off with hope to cum before you kill me.
Either way, you are entirely out of the picture here.

On the contrary I would have complete control over you. In fact, everything would be done by my liking. Even the choices I give you would be nothing but an illusion on your end because in reality these are all my choices. I'm the one who would've given you the ultimatum out of my own sick games. If you are paralyzed, incapacitated, or immobilized then there's nothing you can really do about anything other than pray someone stops me.

>The problem with this belief is that the abuser is not a human being with whom you can reason so it is irrelevant whose fault it is. It is the same as the force of nature. you do not blame bear which attacks you, you fight or run as you can and later you do not break to everyone that some evil bear ripped of your leg. you do not go on rallies demanding bears to stop attacking people. Or demanding hurricanes to stop demolishing houses.

So here the situation is exactly the same. You have a problem and you have to solve it. if you failed to solve it that's your fault, nobody's else.

This is the crux of the issue and there are multiple things that need to be addressed here. First, unlike hurricanes, humans and even bears have culpability. If a bear eats someone we hunt and put down the bear because a. they are an active threat now that they have a taste for humans and could potentially pass that down to their kids. and b. to scare future bears from attacking humans. This approach is part of why animal predators are so averse to attacking humans. Likewise abusers should get arrested, shamed, and have any authority taken away from them.
However, when it comes to victims, an unannounced freak hurricane is not the fault of the people hurt by them. It's just a tragedy. A surprise attack by a hungry bear even if a camper has been vigilant and armed as possible is not the camper's fault. It is the bear's. Likewise it is not the fault of the abuse victim when they're at the complete mercy of the abuser, it is the abuser's. There can be some subjective give and take when it comes to victims who have more power who may have been able to fight back more if they tried but the primary fault is still the abuser. That's just common sense.

 No.11333

Great news. I found those videos reuploaded. after checking them again I have to say that his father was not really that bad, just a typical doormat. So lets say that what I was saying was not fully accurate
but eliot's mother is the main reason for all what happened as she used her son as a pawn in fight with her husband.
Funny enough my mother did the same and it worked when I was just a little boy but eventually I managed to see it even if this ruined my relationship with grandmother whom my mother hated with all her heart and soul for absolutely no reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-a9pjsrp3U 1 Elliot Rodger's Never-Before-Seen Emails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nxZXNDUYYE 2 How the Separation of Elliot Rodger’s Parents Impacted His Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRBbgKJcbAQ 3 Elliot’s Disastrous Trip to Morocco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grOtik-qlZ0 4 Elliot’s Big Blowup with his Father and Soumaya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgifncTngc0 5 Elliot Rodger's Poor Self Image & Yahoo Answers History

The Day of Retribution: Elliot Rodger VS Reality 1&2 parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiQ0OimdFX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU2bZ-c4kR4

 No.11334

>>11333
Are there a text source for this where I can read it? Not really a fan of several minute long videos.

 No.11335

>>11331
>On the contrary I would have complete control over you. In fact, everything would be done by my liking. Even the choices I give you would be nothing but an illusion on your end because in reality these are all my choices. I'm the one who would've given you the ultimatum out of my own sick games. If you are paralyzed, incapacitated, or immobilized then there's nothing you can really do about anything other than pray someone stops me.

Yes, you have complete control over my body or life but not over my mind. If I am paralyzed then it is all meaningless because I can not take any actions and your demands and choices are pointless. so being rational person you will not ask me to do anything I can't do.
If you want to use me in some ways you need to allow me to have some freedom like if you ask me to kill my family you probably need to give me a gun or something and then I have the freedom to do whatever I like in that context.

>>11331
> A surprise attack by a hungry bear even if a camper has been vigilant and armed as possible is not the camper's fault. It is the bear's. Likewise it is not the fault of the abuse victim when they're at the complete mercy of the abuser, it is the abuser's.

well if you blame abuser in the same way as a bear or hurricane I can not object, but I assumed we were talking about a different thing.
although in that situation you should not cover yourself with honey and then wander in the forest saying that "I have a right to dress however I like and bears should not attack me"
You have to take appropriate precautions against those things and gross negligence in regards to your safety will be on your conscience


do not misunderstand me that I am always blaming victims, victims need help, but they must also show some effort to deal with the situation as well rather than bragging about their suffering and doing nothing at all. If I see that victim can do something but refuses to do it then I declare that it is the choice.

 No.11336

>>11334
in those videos, he reads Eliot's and his family's email conversations.
You probably can just pause the video and read them yourself :)

I can quickly mention that in the 2 video there are conversations between Eliot's parents where you can see how his mother is using the nasty manipulative tactic against her former husband.
and the email of his stepmother where everything is pretty much described in one post in the part 4 https://youtu.be/grOtik-qlZ0?t=210

the rest is not relevant. but the last 2 are interesting to watch.

 No.11338

Well besides the other people, bears and bees, this is one individual's life and I believe he wants to vent and have his story told. Just paciently waiting until he does.

 No.11340

>>11335
>Yes, you have complete control over my body or life but not over my mind. If I am paralyzed then it is all meaningless because I can not take any actions and your demands and choices are pointless. so being rational person you will not ask me to do anything I can't do. If you want to use me in some ways you need to allow me to have some freedom like if you ask me to kill my family you probably need to give me a gun or something and then I have the freedom to do whatever I like in that context.

Well, that's the point. As the one in control, I'm the one responsible for everything. I could do a trick question and have it so that the choice you pick is the one you DON'T want. Or I could just be straightforward. There's no way for you to be certain. Pleading for your life could just make more sadistic and enjoy your torment. Or perhaps it could make me feel sorry for you to let you go. Being defiant or not giving a shit what I do to you could impress me. Or it could >>11335
exasperate me and just make me want to torture you more. This is why you can't blame victims for not knowing what to do. The entirety or 99% of the blame is on the perpetrator. They're the ones in control of almost everything.

>well if you blame abuser in the same way as a bear or hurricane I can not object, but I assumed we were talking about a different thing. although in that situation you should not cover yourself with honey and then wander in the forest saying that "I have a right to dress however I like and bears should not attack me" You have to take appropriate precautions against those things and gross negligence in regards to your safety will be on your conscience.


I think we're coming to an understanding. Yeah, we must've been on different pages before because I am referring to blaming the abuser in the same vein as blaming a bear or a power outage. Like sure, you could've backed things up, maybe had things printed down so you can still work on it on paper, maybe have backup battery. But that's still a lot of extra work and wasted time that's no fault of your own. The power outage is still at fault and reasonable bosses will generally be understanding and put that into consideration. Of course if "power outages" keep happening all the time, then it's fair to get suspicious but taking advantages of excuses is another subject entirely.
Also, yeah there is also a difference between negligence/being the aggressor like your honey example and being an abuse victim solely because the abuser chose you due to no fault of your own. The latter is what I'm referring to.

>do not misunderstand me that I am always blaming victims, victims need help, but they must also show some effort to deal with the situation as well rather than bragging about their suffering and doing nothing at all. If I see that victim can do something but refuses to do it then I declare that it is the choice.


Then I am in agreement. I did mention there is some relative give and take with some people having a lot more options than others. And of course victims SHOULD try to do everything in their capacity to stand up for themselves. And after all, if no one knows about it, who can help them? The first step is in getting people to know about their predicament. But yeah, my argument is that you can't blame victims when things are just outside of their capacity and that most of the blame still lies on the abuser in the first place even if the victim is a moron (which I agree you can give partial blame to).

 No.11345

>>11227

do you know what essentialism is?

it's how idiots understand human nature. "The traits of people around me must be inherent qualities present at birth, not responses to their environment, circumstance, and upbringing."

 No.11347

>>11345
In this situation it is irrelevant because regardless if it is genetic or acquired trait result is still same in the end. Women are more agreeable/submissive than men.

Although I rather believe that agreeableness is geneticaly predetermined because you can already notice it isn the very yound children. Some are very submissive some are extremely rebelious.
Sure, you can crush such a rebeliuos child mentally and make it deressed and frigntened, but internaly he will not enjoy that at all.
in same wasy you can force agreeable person into conflict but again he will not enjoy the fight like disagreeable person who would rather say "yeah bring it on !"

 No.11348

>>11347
doesn't matter? Doesn't matter? If we've made a society that subjugates half the human race and prevents them from reaching their potential, we've made an evil society that must be destroyed.

 No.11350

>>11347
Also, don't you live in Japan? There's no more submissive culture for women on the planet.

When Japanese women learn other languages, the pitch of their voices in those languages is like an octave lower, and their mannerisms are less cutsey and more adult. It's because they're taught that cutesy shit in Japan. They're performing it. It's fake. And Japanese men, fucking fools, believe it at face value. Go to Scotland and talk to the women there how men in Japan talk to women. You'll get punched. Or go to Kurdistan, she'll aim a rifle at you.

Men believe stupid things about women because it makes them feel good about themselves, and women go along with it because in most parts of the world they have no choice. Men are too strong and their egos inflamed too easily. Say the wrong thing and some dumbass will follow you to your car, call you a bitch, and stab you. So women smile and act polite to avoid getting fucking shanked.

 No.11351

>>11322

I’ve explained best I can. I still despise women for the abuse they have administered on me and other men all whilst they play innocent little victim cards to where they run out. I refuse to still go get help (that shit is AKIN to telling a meat eater to go vegan. Fucking stop that shit). I do not believe in any of that self-positive motivational garbage because did it help me when I was abused or hurt? No, it did the opposite. It was like force feeding me food when I wasn’t hungry. Therapists and self-positive messages actually don’t help people, and I am an example of that. It just makes you want to quit because it doesn’t do anything to make you feel alive.

So, I will give one more message: I still despite females and see them as utter parasites that should be vanquished. Hating these cunts has actually helped me in life. Remember, women are just lesser versions of men. The more they are hated, the more we wake up from this feminized matrix they forced us in and their downfall commences.

Hate cunts forever! They are scum of the earth! Never let those stupid walking wombs receive an ounce of care and affection in this world!

>:)

 No.11352

>>11348

“Subjugate half the human race”
“Evil society that must be destroyed”

Aaaaand how is this a bad thing?

 No.11354

>>11350
I am not sure what is your point here, because I provided experimental results and you are arguing against that data just by anecdotal evidence.
You can lookup for more experiments in that area, and they all give pretty much same results, So I can assume that it is pretty reliable.
also even in taht kurdistan where women can shoot you they rarely get leadership positions
and same everywhere in the world women are typically just support characters for men.

>>11350
>Men believe stupid things about women because it makes them feel good about themselves, and women go along with it because in most parts of the world they have no choice. Men are too strong and their egos inflamed too easily. Say the wrong thing and some dumbass will follow you to your car, call you a bitch, and stab you. So women smile and act polite to avoid getting fucking shanked.

Why they have no choice?
Why this intimidaqtion only works of women but not on men?
I think you just contradicted yoursefk and proved that men are way more aggresive and dominant than women. as well as explained why tehre are ways nore men in prison that women.


>>11348
>doesn't matter? Doesn't matter? If we've made a society that subjugates half the human race and prevents them from reaching their potential, we've made an evil society that must be destroyed.

I have no clue about which part of society you are talking here

 No.11355

>>11352
which one? Subjugating half the human race is bad. If you think that's good please tell me more about your dipshit ancap ideology, it sounds funny as fuck. You're probably like 14 and into race science. But destroying an evil society is fun and good. Gotta destroy the bad before you can make something better right? So which one are you saying is bad?

 No.11356

>>11351
No, you did not explained anything.
You didn't even tell what exactly women (or at least some woman) did for you to make you hate them. So please give some more information what is the reason for your hate because the things you explain are absolutely irrelevant parroting of MGTOW ideology.


>>11351
>Remember, women are just lesser versions of men.
Ok but how that is the reson to hate them?

lest say you ended in the island with a woman or few women. Would you still hate them when they are all practically dependednt on you and coud not even survive without you?
yes, as a man you are superior "race" but that is exacly why you have no reason to hate them.

 No.11358

>>11355

Subjugating it is actually a good thing because they will be kept in line and know if they do anything stupid (which they will, because women aren’t known to make good decisions - Hilary Clinton is one of them), they will be put in place be it Prison or something harsher. And usually, the harsher option is best.

>>11356

Even if I was on island with a women or few women, they would quickly become shark bait because I cannot put up being with one of these annoying ass cunts relying on me for everything 24/7 whilst they stand around and get fat. So yes, I would still hate them. Deal with it.

 No.11359

>>11358
>Even if I was on island with a women or few women, they would quickly become shark bait because I cannot put up being with one of these annoying ass cunts relying on me for everything 24/7 whilst they stand around and get fat. So yes, I would still hate them. Deal with it.

Intereting.
So rather than using them as your servants who will do what you say while you just sit and command them with your superior intelect, you rather turn them into sthark food and then live alone doing everything yourself.

I dont get why do you think that women will just stand around and do nothing, they are way more capable of doingboring jobs than men. so you can send then to colelct some fruits or even give them an axe and tell to chop a tree and they will do it fine. Women are fully capable of doing all same work as men do they just usualy lack leadership qualities.

 No.11360

>>11359

Because I would not stand to work with one of them for a single second. They are useless as is, and companionship is overrated garbage. Simple as is.

 No.11361

>>11360
>Because I would not stand to work with one of them for a single second. They are useless as is, and companionship is overrated garbage. Simple as is.


OK, but don't you even notice it yourself how stupid it is?
You are ready to sacrifice your own life quality just because of some pointless hate, which you cannot even explain.

Yes, sure you are not likely to end on the island with a bunch of women or even getting in any kind of relationship with them in your life. (besides maybe when you get very old) so your hate is totally irrelevant you may just equally hate Martians with the same success.


so what is the point to even talk about that or say that you hate them? what kind of effect it has in your life? You are hating something that is completely irrelevant and does not affect your life.

 No.11362

>>11361

I’ve already listed my reasons to hate them. Least I will not be Captain Save a Thot to them, not now and certainly not ever. The only time I will put up with a woman is if she admits she is a walking female parasite who leeches off of men like all others have and she apologizes for the sins of cunthood. Even then, that won’t be good enough. Stop trying to argue with me like the other anon faggot who tried to tell me “get help OP” when I told him to fuck off with that blue pill, soyboy, beta cuck advice.

 No.11364

>>11362
I am not arguing with you you are free to hate women as much as you like I am just (like that other) guy asking you to explain your reasons rather than this irrelevant nonsense.
I am quite sure that none of those parasites are leeching on you or committed any crimes in your account.

so please go on, we are listening.

 No.11368

>>11364

Already explained it with >>11268 .

 No.11369

>>11368
>Already explained it with >>11268

No you did not, unless you claim that all of that happened to you. (Or at least could happen to you)

And stuff like this:
>>11268
>They have all their eggs at birth, yet lose them constantly.

simply makes no sense at all. How exactly the fact that women are losing eggs has any relevance to you or even anyone?



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